Talk:Irony mark
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[edit] Contemporary Discusson
I have just started a discussion on Typophile.com, a forum for text-using graphic designers and type designers (who construct fonts), suggesting an alternate design, broader applicationn and method of painless implementation for the irony mark. I also include my reasoning for it's advocation, and for the purpose of my proposed design. In the thread, I actually propose it's use for not only for irony, but also as a sarcasm mark and to reveal false subtlety or innuendo, and any other application where the missiing verbal intonation might have clarified a commentsd contradictory meaning. I suggest calling the collective uses all the irony mark, to both keep things simple and because Irony is not only the most umbrella-like term, but can legitimately be other things besides an explicit contradiction to expected circumstances.
Feel free to drop on by and take a look there, http://typophile.com/node/28817 or at my suggessted design guide and examples at http://www.exclamachine.com/snark
--Choz 22:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Examples are sarcastic, not ironic?
- That speech was not boring at all
- It truly is a beautiful work of art
- The cheque is in the mail
- The Irony Mark is an excellent invention by the French
I don't see them as ironic, well except perhaps the cheque one- I didn't get that one. To me they all read as sarcasm/snide remarks.
- I see your point, but this is how I understand the whole irony thing:
- sarcasm is indeed a type of verbal irony.
- The statements are not necessarily sarcastic. A visitor to an art exhibition could be saying the second statement to the artist to be polite, while other visitors are aware of the speaker's true oponion (i.e. the speaker means something other than what is said, and a second audience is aware of the real meaning).
- (NB, the last statement was added briefly by a new editor, and was promply removed as unencyclopedic by another editor).
- I hope that clarifies that, but if you can think of more illustrative examples, it'd be nice to see them too. Rod ESQ 05:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
In my experience, a sarcasm mark would prove itself more useful than an irony mark, though perhaps the irony mark might get used as a sarcasm mark as well. Sarcasm is so very hard to get across well, and especially in text. 137.238.69.130 23:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)Tchalvak
[edit] Jokes
- If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular
- I'd give you a taste but your tongue's in the stew
Now it's worse, these sentences are jokes not irony!! Irony is when you say the opposite of what you think to show that it can't be right. -Sucrine ( ><> talk) 20:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dumb Francs
- irony: what*
- sarcasm: Exactly,
- doubt: huh..?
- certainty: same as indication
- acclamation: ~hey!
- authority: :no.
- indignation/declamation: whatever¡
- love (shut up)
Solvati. Also see the undoing of the Snark (.~) with my notes at http://typophile.com/node/28817?from=50&comments_per_page=50#comment-164282. -lysdexia 20:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Interrobang‽
The 4th example image is wrong -- it is clearly an interrobang.
[edit] Alternatives
I don't know if it's worth noting, but here in the UK, bracketed exclamation marks are used on TV subtitles to indicate sarcasm:
- Oh, that's just perfect(!)
David 13:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
