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[edit] Welcome

[edit] Spam Discussion

Speier is a strong supporter of using SPAM for advertising. Her campaign staff regularly sends out SPAM email advertisements as well as leaving recorded messages on voice mail. Contrary to the beliefs of Gershwinrb, not all political campaigns endorse and use SPAM. In fact, Speier is the only canidate listed in the current primary who left me voicemail spam in her current campaign. 148.87.1.170 21:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow! I'm impressed by the number of editors of this page that are supporters of SPAM. Chuck Simmons 04:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Have you verified that you weren't signed up on a Speier mailing list by someone else? There seem to be many possibilities here that you haven't considered and haven't ruled out. As to voicemail, voicemail is by definition not SPAM since it is not email or written messaging of any kind. It's telemarketing. As for your "You people disgust and amaze me" comment, I guess you haven't read Wikipedia:Civility. Maybe you should. Ortcutt 04:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure you can use a narrow definition of SPAM. However, it is quite reasonable to use a generalized definition which includes any sort of untargeted broadcast communication. Just as it is reasonable and your moral obligation for you to censure me when I act incivilly on Wikipedia, we also have a moral obligation to censure people who engage in unsolicited untargeted broadcast communication. It is reasonable and our moral obligation to point out when spammers are acting incivilly toward society as a whole.

Also, it is not reasonable to expect me to figure out how a sender of SPAM acquires my email address or telephone number. You are saying that not only must I bear the costs of the undesired SPAM, but I must also pay the additional costs of figuring out how that SPAM arose in the first place. I did consider the possibility and ruled it out as highly unlikely. It is more likely that Speier acquired my telephone number and email address from semi-public records such as when I registered to vote. Especially since some of her SPAM communications suggested this was the case. Chuck Simmons 20:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

If you didn't want to be contacted by political campaigns, why would you give your email address and phone number when you registered to vote? The voter rolls are public information and the information in them is allowed to be used for campaign activities. If you gave your information, then you consented to that. Ergo, not SPAM. Ortcutt 06:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I see. You are saying that I must proactively think of every possible way that any piece of information might be abused and make sure that I do not subject myself to abuse. It's my fault that I got raped because I was wearing a skirt while walking down the street. Chuck Simmons 01:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

No. What I'm saying is that it isn't abuse. It's one of the allowed uses of voter registration info. If you don't like it even if it isn't abuse, then you should have thought of that when you registered. Ortcutt 18:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Voter Registration forms clearly indicate which information is vital and which you are not obligated to provide such as phone and e-mail. So, I would suggest updating your registration form. As I recall Speier was one of the few legislators who was a privacy advocate under SB773 and took a great political heat for introducing said bill. So, being that the primary was in June 2006 I don't see what the fuss is on about now. Perhaps, it could be due to talk about her making a run for Tom Lantos' congressional seat in two years[1]?

[edit] the politician infobox

Smeelgova, Thanks for the politician infobox, it sure looks nice. PEACETalkAbout 07:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

You are most welcome! And thank you for the acknowledgement! It is not often on Wikipedia that I get compliments on any of my work, more often I just get berated. Nice to know some of the things I do around here are appreciated. Yours, Smeelgova 07:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC).