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Let's Rock Again was released before 2006, it may be available on DVD now, but it was released a few years back; I remember watching it at the Tribeca Film Festival, it may actually have been 2002, or '03? Shouldn't be hard to look up. Actually, I just checked it was 2004 (wow, it seems longer).
To do:
- played in the Vultures and The 101ers.
- co-founder of the Clash
- later involvement with Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism
- London Calling later voted best album of the 1980s by Rolling Stone magazine (even though it appeared in 1979)
It was released in 1980 in the US, Rolling Stone is also a US magazine. (Mr.Blonde 11:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC))
I removed the following last line:
In the United States, Strummer and The Clash are better known for their 1982 number one hit, Rock The Casbah.
This seems a bit like having an article about Canada that says "In the United States, Canada is better known for the Wayne Gretzkey, Paul Shaffer and the frequent use of the word 'eh'". Perhaps that's a bit extreme...if someone can work it in more gracefully than it was, I wouldn't object. - RobLa 08:46 Dec 27, 2002 (UTC)
Don't forget Rush. 68.108.115.69 00:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
What's this about neo-fascist imagery on an early album cover? I don't think this is correct. Which album?
- I wondered about that, too. I remember the fuss when The Sex Pistols appeared on stage wearing swastika armbands, but I don't recall anything about The Clash. If nobody comes up with an answer to your question in the next few days, I think we should remove that statement. GrahamN 20:38 Jan 30, 2003 (UTC)
- It's more than a month now, so I'm taking it out. GrahamN 15:39 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)
It's out. User:IAG 1:41 Mar 27 2004
- I suppose it could have been suggesting Joe's wearing of the Brigate-Rosse/RAF t-shirt at the Victoria Park LMHR show. That seems a bit far-fetched though, and I know it didn't make it into any album art. Thanks for taking it out, it shouldn't have been there.
- Wasn't Strummer actively anti-fascist?JamieKeene 21:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, he later was embaresed about wearing the shirt and said he was only trying to raise awareness for the group.
[edit] i'd like to know more...
i'd like to know more about strummer's education. i doubt his public school education did him much good. did he go to university? where did he learn about the world? his lyrics are so educated and educational. Kingturtle 00:44, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I know he went to an art school. When he was a child he traveled a lot because of his dad's job which was involved in the military. He went to a Spanish school and had to learn spanish there, which is where a lot of those influences come from in The Clash.(24.70.95.203 01:49, 31 October 2005 (UTC))
He never really learned to speak spanish, in all of the clash songs where he sung in spanish they were translations done by one of the 101ers horn players' mom who had immigrated from el salvador.
[edit] Lawsuit with record company
Wasn't Strummer involved in a huge ten-year long lawsuit with his record company to get released from the Clash's final contract that they signed shortly before Cut the Crap? Anyone have any more info on this? I was under the impression it was a rather big deal.
I added information about it in the article. Underneath-it-All 04:30, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Added and expanded biography
Hey, I have added and expanded the biography with more information about his childhood and his early bands. If anything is incorrect please let me know. Thanks. Underneath-it-All 04:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I found: "Continuing CBS/Sony contract embroidments seemed to have brought Joe's career to a permanent stop. After realizing he could not possibly come up with the £5 millions it would take to get him out of his contract, he went 'on strike', boring the company out. He got his way and the contract was terminated at least as a solo artist, which allowed him to scout for a new deal. Hellcat Records, a independent label based in California, run by Rancid's Tim Armstrong, a huge Clash fan, was first on Joe's list and the deal was struck." on JoeStrummer.org. They have other references there. Evan Davis 22:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Date correction
It says they signed to CBS in 1976. That should be 1977, right? I'll look into it before I change it. 67.153.235.42 18:50, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Tom Delonge?
Ok, who added the line about Tom Delonge?
In addition to being grammatically horrible, I'd just like to know why said person thinks the Clash were an influence on Delonge and/or any of his bands? Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a big fan of Delonge, but I've never heard him mention anything about the Clash.
Jlee562 00:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Extended Biography
I have decided to add more to this profile concerning the untimely death of Joe Strummers brother David. Other then that this profile is ace!
Viva la Strummer
Troy Stephens
195.194.86.166 10:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Marriages
What about his marriages?
[edit] POV
I added the neutrality tag for a fair few lapses:
- ie. "Strummer saw the future of music. He saw that the music that the Sex Pistols were performing was dangerous and exciting and realized that The 101'ers were going nowhere."
- "It was all heroically idealistic, but The Clash were deadly serious about everything they did. "
- "Strummer and the band signed with Mercury Records, and issued a stunning album in 1999" etc.
Fair enough, no? Me677 18:01, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree on the third, although by all indications the first two are technically true. Strummer abandoned the 101'ers when he saw the Sex Pistols, and the Clash were pretty serious as a political band. The first should be modifed, the second, should probably be axed as a whole, unless you have any ideas on how to reword. Jlee562 05:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
The first line is kind of correct. He says about as much on a interview on The Story of the Clash. I can listen to it later and post it verbatim if you would like. Evan Davis 22:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- I took it out for now. If it is restored, it should be as a verifiable quote. --Guinnog 14:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Grosse Pointe Blank soundtrack
No mention of Strummer's work on the soundtrack for the film Grosse Pointe Blank?
--Labcoat 14:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
He just had one song as far as I can tell. "War Cry (Instrumental)" Evan Davis 22:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Strummer did incidental music for the movie as well as "War Cry", which you can hear once or twice, but it has never been realeased. 13 September 2006
[edit] Ignore Alien Orders
Strummer pasted the slogan "Ignore Alien Orders" in red letters on his guitar some time in the seventies. This slogan mysteriously appeared all over the US and (as I understand it) Britain. You still see it sometimes, and you can buy T-shirts with it too. This fact should be included in the article. Someone surely knows more about this than I do, so I will hold off adding it for awhile.
--wellsoberlin 03:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
it's still happening http://www.grayblog.co.uk/2006/03/ignore-alien-orders/
nobody seems to know where he got it from or what it means either (there's a similar situationist slogan though)
I believe it just means to ignore the orders of people who don't know what they're talking about.
[edit] Joe Strummer's marriages?
I don't think he ever married Gaby Salter. They were basically common-law man and wife.
- He didn't. Salewicz's biography makes it clear that he couldn't because he was still married to the woman he married so she could get British citizenship.Devilgate 14:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Rebel Apostrophe in the Wood
I'm not sure whether Joe's Future Forest on Skye is now called "Rebel's Wood" or "Rebel Wood". References on the web vary. It could even be "Rebels' Wood". But there's no way that it's called "Rebels Wood"; not in English. I'm going to change it to "Rebel's Wood", but maybe someone could visit it and check. ;-) Devilgate 10:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
- Further to my pedantry, I've just finished Chris Salewicz's biography of Joe. In it he tells us that a wood that Lucinda has planted overlooking their house is called 'Rebel Wood'; he doesn't give a name for the forest on Skye. Does anyone know more about this? Devilgate 17:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
noticed that, one of a few little niggly details in the book, that didn't seem quite right. funny that Chris Salewicz doesn't mention Joe's involvement in Future Forests at all.
I bought a tree from future Forest in February 03 - just checked and both the tube and certificate say Rebels Wood (no apostrophe) but I've found a photo of the sign and the forest is Rebel's Wood http://www.theclash.org.uk/images/rebwood.jpg (can't find a better photo online)
carboneutral.com is no longer selling the tree tubes or has any mention of Joe's support for the company on their website. 217.134.125.68 23:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Joe Strummer: The Future is Unwritten
This article has some info about it. It says it's supposed to be in US theatres by early summer 2007. w00t! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.34.2.229 (talk) 06:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] David's Suicide
"Strummer was never very close to his brother David, but nonetheless David's suicide significantly changed Joe's outlook on life." The only other mention of this brother was that he was 10 when they went to boarding school. I'm hesitant to completely remove the sentence, despite the fact that it makes little sense in the placement it currently holds. Ultraviolet 03:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Left vs. right-handedness
"Though left-handed, he was taught to play right-handed by his friend Tymon Dogg; this hampered his abilities somewhat and confined him to strumming chords." This is a completely ridiculous thing to say. Many left-handed people play guitar right-handed extremely well. One person I know who matches this description likes to point out that the dominant hand (i.e. his left) is more suited to doing the fiddly bit (the fretwork) amd the non-dominant hand is more suited to strumming.
