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Contents 1 Wilson Lee Flores article deletion 2 Long-Overdue RfA Thanks from Alphachimp 3 My RfA 4 Michael Hertz 5 Adminship 6 Lazybatusu 7 Vandalism 8 JPD's RfA 9 Pictures of OU 10 Yenta Claus 11 Mediation at Talk:Panic! at the Disco 12 P!AtD Mediation 13 Nainital 14 Subst 15 WP:VAND 16 Talk page vandalism 17 Biography Newsletter September 2006 18 Go raibh maith agat! 19 My RFA 20 Vandalism by 69.73.36.233 21 See 22 John Landis changes 23 Prove 24 Konstable's RfA thanks 25 Belated thanks 26 RfA Thanks 27 Relationship between 'Beth' & Duane Chapman 28 September Esperanza Newsletter 29 RfA thanks 30 Mr. Lefty's RfA thanks 31 WikiProject Military history Newsletter - Issue VII - September 2006 32 Nishkid64's RfA thanks 33 Reverts by 65.49.251.20 on Russell Peters article 34 Electrical engineering mediation 35 Feel better soon 36 New Users

Wilson Lee Flores article deletion

Thank you for contacting me regarding my creation of the article and its deletion. However, let me point out that my inclusion of this article conforms with Wikipedia standards and is therefore appropriate. My initial article on this may not have adequate and resourceful information, but this is in no way eligible for deletion. I did not have time to check and re-edit this article after other contributors have changed my original entry so I assumed that the facts contained still conforms to Wikipedia Standards. And then I found out that my article is being nominated for deletion! I am sorry for not contacting you immediately because I just had a WikiHoliday. But I assure you that the said Wilson Lee Flores is a recognized public figure in the Philippines- journalist, writer, businessman and social analyst. This is also attested by the number of edits by other wikipedians, and is even a target of vandalism and poor editing. Check it for yourself on the internet. I would be pleased for your reply, then I will do my best to reedit the article.

P.S. I noticed that someone has recreated this article but has produced a stub. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kennethduncan (talk • contribs) 08:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Long-Overdue RfA Thanks from Alphachimp

Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which was successful with a an overwhelmingly flattering and deeply humbling total of 138/2/2 (putting me #10 on the RfA WP:100). I guess infinite monkey theorem is true. Chimps really can get somewhere on Wikipedia. With new buttons come great responsibility, and I'll try my best to live up to your expectations. If you need assistance with something, don't hesitate to swing by my talk page or email me (trust me, I do respond :)). The same goes for any complaints or comments in regard to my administrative actions. Remember, I'm here for you. (Thanks go to Blnguyen for the incredible photos to the left and right.) alphaChimp laudare 19:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

You indicated on my RfA that you don' t think I need admin tools to run OrphanBot. I've expanded my answer to question 1 to explain what I can't do without the tools. Could you reconsider your vote? --Carnildo 17:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Michael Hertz

Thanks for the vote of confidence about my ability to write an article about Michael Hertz Associates, but I think the best thing for now would be for you to work on it, and perhaps for me to check it over at a later time. At the moment I am somewhat swamped by real-life events and happenings, and writing a complete article would take some time for me. On the other hand, if you wrote it, you could probably get it done sooner, and I could do an overview of the portion about the NYC subway.

And thanks for your vote on my RfA! Larry V (talk | contribs) 05:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

Would you be interested in being nominated for adminship? If so, I'd be happy to put together a nomination for you. I think you've been around long enough; Luna Santin's RfA seems to be going well despite a history of only three months. Let me know. Mike Christie (talk) 12:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, having just read your response on Mike Christie's talk page, I'm left saying the old cliché: "You're not an admin?" Heimstern Läufer 03:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

You guys are very sweet, but no – I'm not an admin. I made contributions as an unregistered IP editor for several weeks/months writing parts of articles, but I didn't register until somewhere around June 15. I'm not "afraid" of an RfA failing due to inexperience, or insecure about my abilities, or some other reason. I _am_, however, one of those people who takes a good look at herself at regular intervals – periodic self-appraisal is something one learns in nursing school – and I know that I'm not ready to receive a mop yet. I'm still crawling around and learning the nuts and bolts. I get closer every day and the time is coming. I have all of your names on a little list, and someday soon you're all going to hear from me....;-) Baseball,Baby! ^{balls•strikes} 04:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

A great attitude to have, and one that will certainly serve you well when you do get the mop. And that's all I have to say now. See you around! Heimstern Läufer 06:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Lazybatusu

Thanks for taking the time to review the article on Lazybatusu. I understand the criteria for deletion or removal in relation to music ensembles/bands, I just think that this particular artist should be mentioned/reinstated in Wikipedia because: -They have been working behind the scenes, as producers and performers for other great notable artists, well-known to the mainstream public (see credits in the article) -They are promoting and trying to develop a new musical genre that it's new in the United States, [nu-jazz/future-lounge] and therefore offering a service to a fast-growing electronic music community -In relation to the latter, the exposure given to underground artists in the music business is non-existent in the United States, until a major record companies decides to invest resources in huge marketing campaigns and that's mainly to live off the artist's hard work. Wikipedia is not a promotional vehicle per se, but as a collective open-source encyclopedia, should allow space for hard workers in the arts' field, especially the ones who are often working pro-bono, just with the intent of enriching their community. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.203.134.36 (talk • contribs).

Vandalism

Congratulations on your new adminship! You recently gave a final warning to this IP [[1]], which has since been used to vandalise Major Major Major Major. I thought that to add another warning would be pointless, and I'm not an admin, so I'll leave this to you, if you don't mind.AlmostReadytoFly 12:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I misread your page, but I noticed later, and didn't want to leave a big string of edits to my first post on your talk page. The other reason I didn't post a warning was because I'm fairly new myself (as you may have noticed) and wasn't entirely certain on the process.AlmostReadytoFly 07:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

JPD's RfA

Thanks, BaseballBaby, for your support at my RfA, which finished with a tally of 94/1/0. I hope I will be as wise as you suggest and live up to the confidence you have shown in me in my activities as an administrator, even though I'm not too keen on baseball :-). JPD (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Pictures of OU

Boomer Sooner! Over at WikiProject College Football Nmajdan and I have been working on articles about the University's football programs (as well as a lot of other stuff about OU). If you attend any football games (or any other events) and can take pictures, it would be great if you would upload them to WikiMedia Commons and release them under either the public domain or the GFDL so that they can be used Freely (as in speech, not beer) on Wikipedia and all her sister projects. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. z4ns4tsu\^talk 16:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Yenta Claus

I extensively edited and new links added including a Play written by a Pace University Professor with Yenta Claus being Santa Claus' wife in the "Case of the Claus'" November 2000.[2]Sorry for being so expressive of feelings but I ask you to review the article and to please reconsider your judgement. Thanks, --Bhires 17:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ever so much! She was so loveable! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.41.86.146 (talk • contribs) .

Mediation at Talk:Panic! at the Disco

Thank you very much, BaseballBaby. See you around. --HarryCane 14:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

P!AtD Mediation

Mediation should not be nessacary at this time. Looks like we pounded out the dispute. In the mean time, one question still unanswered: Who determins a Music Genre on wikipedia? Users, label, iTunes, Rolling Stone, Band? Hackajar 05:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Addiationally, I would like to thank you for reviewing everything. Sorry about not signing the top, can see how that can be confusing. I have left my comments on P!AtD talk page.Hackajar 06:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for helping out with the mediation. I agree with you on most things except for the comment about Power Pop. I changed it back to alt-rock. Just trying to figure out where you got that from. Powerpop has never been used by a veritable source to describe the band, I'm pretty sure that's just a term that a couple users threw around. If you can come up with a source, I'd be happy to revert it, however, I think that as it stands: Alternative rock band, fusion sound of pop punk, emo, electronica, dance, and indie rock, with a citation, about fits the mold. Reply on my talk page if you'd like to discuss further. --DieHard2k5 21:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Nainital

Dear BaseballBaby, Thanks for your comments. I knew it was way too long and had been meaning to pare it down. Will attend to as best I can. I saw your edits to the "Notable people" section. While I generally agree with your approach, I fear that when the text is that bare-boned, it invites readers to add their own "Famous" or "Notable" people and it gets the writer(s) (in this case, mostly me) into other controversies (i.e. who is worthy of inclusion). Also, not everyone in that list is "from" Nainital--some just attended boarding school there--so it might be more accurate to say, "Famous people associated with Nainital," or "Famous people with connections to Nainital." But, that sounds bulky ...

Stiwari 13:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello again! I read your edit again and like its terse style. (Should have taken my precis writing class in high school seriously.) However, I did think that the section sounded a little too impersonal. So I changed it somewhat and added a brief sentence to quickly establish the famous person's connection to Nainital. I hope this will be a happy medium. Look forward to your comments. Meanwhile, will work on the other sections in the coming days.

Stiwari 16:54, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply! I guess you are right that the lengthy quotes from literature would not be of interest to most people. (They are to me, because Nainital is my hometown.) BTW, most of that quoted stuff is in the public domain--in fact I got it from Project Gutenberg. But I agree with your general point--that less is more. I look forward to your edits.

I should add that although Nainital has a year-round population of 38,000, it is well known because it is a resort town. In some ways it is like Nantucket or Martha's Vineyard, both of which have small year-round populations, but rich histories--whaling, Moby Dick, famous personalities.

Stiwari 13:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Subst

I'm a subst user from way back. I forgot on that instance. I guess with all these new fantastic bots going around behind us and cleaning up, one does become careless :) We can all do our bit to help however, so point taken :) Cheers. -- Longhair 09:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's a tip. Take a look at User talk:203.29.131.3. It's not the norm around here, but it's catching on. I find it useful to number talk page warnings so new users (like that one) get an idea that we're counting up to something and trying to get their attention. It also helps admins see how many prior warnings were given should they need to act in a hurry. I'm sure a lot of vandals don't read the warnings anyway, but the numbering system helps break the flow for those who bother :) Cheers again. -- Longhair 09:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:VAND

PLease don't refer to content disputes as reverting vandalism, as you did here. Thanks.--MONGO 11:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I fully understand...it's certainly no sweat. But, don't try to fight the vandals all by yourself! By all means, take restroom breaks. Best wishes!--MONGO 12:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk page vandalism

Thank you for reverting it. Much appreciated. SteveO 13:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Likewise: thanks for watching my back.  :-) Antandrus (talk) 03:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

144.138.57.100 01:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC) Um... I don't really understand the whole Wikipedia thing, but I know enough to know that my IP has been confused with someone else's. You reverted some vandalism to the "Bottlenose Dolphin" page, and I got sent what was effectively a warning over it. I've never visited the page, so I don't know how this is possible??

Biography Newsletter September 2006

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Go raibh maith agat!

hoopydink^{Conas tá tú?} 02:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you, BaseballBaby, for voting on my RFA, which passed 95 to 1. Now that I have the mop, I hope I can live up to the standard, and be a good administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. —this is messedrocker (talk) 18:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism by 69.73.36.233

69.73.36.233 has vandalized the page about Aaron Neville. I reverted the edits.

Is it possible to permanently ban someone from editing wikipedia? Or have a 2-3 year ban? This user has committed numerous acts of vandalism and has in fact been banned more than once. Hitokirishinji 20:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

See

The talkpage on Harley Earl for some updates on history. If you can find any facts that dispute Earls' hiring practices and his despotic personality, lets hear them, and why did he ignore safety? randazzo56 00:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

John Landis changes

Hi, I made an addition to the bio on the John Landis page which was rejected for being copywrited (allegedly stolen from Imdb.) It suggested i could put it in my own words. However, those are my own words. It was written while serving as an assistant to the Landises. In effect, you have rejected the "authorized biography." Any way around this? Thanks. L8nda 00:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Prove

What Im saying about this despot was inacurate. The only "nonsense" involved was the deletion of facts about Earls ignoring safety issues and G.M.s discriminatory hiring practices under his watch. As far as his talents go, his gimmick laden barges of the fiftys made G.M. the laughing stock of the world. Thanks for cleaning up the grammar and spelling, but the facts you cant disprove or deny. randazzo56 02:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Konstable's RfA thanks

Hi BaseballBaby, thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which was closed as successful last Wednesday with a unanimous support of (47/0/0). I will do my best to help keep Wikipedia clean, green and vandal free. Once again, thank you! --Konstable 14:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Belated thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA. Consensus to promote was reached, and I am now an administrator. I'll be using the tools cautiously at first, and everyone should feel welcome to peer over my shoulder and make sure I'm not doing anything foolish. --Robth^Talk 04:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

Thank you very much for participating in my RFA, which closed successfully today with a result of (50/3/0). If you have any further questions or suggestions, feel free to write me. I hope I will live up to your trust. Michael 01:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Relationship between 'Beth' & Duane Chapman

I get the feeling that this family creates some of their 'history' out of whole cloth at times. Many details change from time to time, including names, dates and times. I keep putting in citations for Alice Barmore a/k/a Beth Smith a/k/a Beth Chapman and they keep getting deleted. Why? If the purpose of Wikipedia is verification then I feel that they should stay. Someone who keeps going by different names during the same time period deserves a bit more investigating. Duke53 | ^Talk 16:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

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RfA thanks

Hey BaseballBaby, thank you for supporting my recent RfA. It finished with an amazing final tally of 160/4/1. I really appreciate your support. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 11:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Lefty's RfA thanks

Hi, BaseballBaby, and thanks for supporting me in my recent request for adminship, which succeeded with a final tally of 70/4/4. I hope I can live up to your expectations, and if there's ever anything you need, you know where to find me! --Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 00:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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Nishkid64's RfA thanks

Thank you very much for participating in my RfA, which closed successfully earlier today with a result of (60/9/4). Although, I encountered a few problems in my RfA, I have peacefully resolved my conflicts and made amends with the people involved. If you have any further questions or suggestions, feel free talk to me. I hope I will live up to your expectations. --Nishkid64 22:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Reverts by 65.49.251.20 on Russell Peters article

Hi BB, a person who's ip address is 65.49.251.20 keeps reverting Russell Peters' middle name in his article, and keeps doing this even though I cited a source. I decided to ask you about this person, as I've seen you as an admin and have edited this article. He is also incivil, swearing on edit summaries and the like. Can you please do something about him, or recommend something for me? Thanks. ~ EmeZxX 11:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Electrical engineering mediation

Hi Baseball, User:Cedars and I were just wondering when the mediation process might restart on this page? I understand you have been busy , but Cedars is getting slightly impatent! 8-)--Light current 20:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Feel better soon

Hey, I just saw your template on your page and hope you'll recover from your car accident soon. Heimstern Läufer 02:42, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

New Users

First off, sorry to hear about your health problems. I'll say a prayer for you.

Secondly, thank you for your user page clarifying that you do care about your changes, and realizing that the form letter may come off rude.

It's that matter I want to address, is it a form letter from Wikipedia for administrators to use, or is it your own. I too think it comes off abrasive.

In all due respect, I was a newcomer to Wikipedia, and made my very first contributions to the public access entry. You erased all of them and sent me a form letter for each one. I nearly left Wikipedia over this.

Luckily, I learned more about Wikipedia's policies, had others help streamline what I said to fit the public access entry, and eventually became a member.

In all due respect, can we all find a way to improve Wikipedia in genreal, improve how we present ourselves to newcomers, and improve delete replys/changes/reverts/form replies & etc. I see us all as being on the same team. Therefore, this would go for anyone who'd maybe not try to make Wikipedia be all it can be.)

Finally, in all due respect I mentioned you in the body of a related topic under a suggestion I'd added to The Pump's Proposals Page about page accessed counting. The following is the part mentioning you, but the full text may be found at the page within the time frame of 7 days from this post and etc. that you may probably already may be well aware of. At least this way, if because of your illness you wouldn't see it, it's my pleasure to share it with you here. When replying back on my talk page you may see that even after I received my membership I again had an entry reverted by someone because I'd unintenionally not adhered to Wikipedia's copyright rules. As I said, I see us as a work in progress. Through our mistakes we hopefully learn from them and do better the next time out. Please feel free to stop by the pubic access entry and check it out. I hope it's up to our standards. Please get well soon and thanks again:

• On a related point to my above statements about the learning process in general with Wikipedia, and with my statement about the learning process involved with web analytics, I definitely see Wikipedia as a learning process with our suggestions, and with the topic of page accessed counting in general, and hope we (I don't think it's wise to say "them," "administrators," or etc. We're suppose to be part of the same team.) don't become extreme in deleting newcomers contriubtions to Wikipedia. Ea. In all due respect to BaseballBaby I think, they deleted all of my very first submissions ever to the public access entry with a form letter that others (who had questioned him on his talk page.) and myself saw as adversial. Luckily, afterwards I encountered more polite administrators, then became a member, and I'm learning more and more each day. Yet, I nearly left Wikipedia for good after BaseballBaby's actions. We all have to learn through our mistakes, and sometimes that takes time and understanding. We have a good thing here with Wikipedia. I hope we keep it that way. DavidWJohnson 16:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC) DavidWJohnson 16:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I'm going to take a moment from my post-accident recuperation and reply today, because I just can't go to sleep until I do. I'm not going to put it at WP:VPR because that's not my style.

I had to go wa-a-a-y-y-y back to August 10 to find out to what you referred. (I have more than 6,000 edits at Wikipedia and I made almost 400 edits on that date alone, so I hope you'll forgive me for not remembering yours right away.) As far as I'm able to determine, it seems to be about this diff, wherein I removed several paragraphs of commentary from public access television. (The surrounding paragraphs should have been removed too, but that wasn't the problem at the time.)

I reverted the edit and left the {{comment2}} message on User talk:68.207.100.174, which is standard operating procedure for edits like that. I'd also like to point out that the edit in question wasn't your first edit, as you claim in your post at WP:VPR. This was your first edit, on the day before and with which I had nothing to do, so let's get that straight before blaming me for ruining "all of (your) very first submissions ever."

I'm not an administrator, and I am sincerely sorry you were offended. Having said that, the edit was inappropriate, and it was reverted in the same manner such edits are reverted every day by dozens of RC patrollers and other editors. {{comment2}} is a template that can be found along with its brothers, sisters, and cousins at Template_messages/User_talk_namespace. They are used thousands of times every day, and they can indeed be harsh to well-intentioned users, which is why I apologize for hurt feelings at the top of my talk page.

The problem is that you didn't come to my talk page to talk about it that day. You didn't leave a message on my talk page about it that day, that week, or even that _month_. I looked several times through my talk history and your contributions history in both IP and registered accounts, just to be sure. Instead, seven weeks after the fact, on a community page, in a section that wasn't even about the templates or newcomers or anything to do with the subject, you write a paragraph that can be summarized like this: "Yes, this is a good idea. Oh, and by the way, BaseballBaby nearly ran me off of Wikipedia."

I'm one of the least adversarial people here, and if you had asked me I would have been happy to help you rephrase or re-edit your content, just as I and others help new users every day. It's better to talk directly to someone about situations like this one, rather than commenting at WP:VPR, because everyone makes errors and there's no reason to pile on publicly – even when it's not a mistake, why call everyone's attention to it in that manner? It doesn't do anything to help the situation and likely makes it worse, plus it embarrasses two people needlessly – you and the person about whom you're commenting.

Again, I'm sorry your feelings were hurt over the template message, but in the future you really should take it up with an editor sooner, rather than later, and on a one-to-one basis instead of on a community page like the VP. Now that you're a registered user, I hope you'll spend some time on Recent changes patrol to help us out and gain a little perspective.

Lastly, I noticed something tonight while researching this issue: If you're editing from both this account and anonymously from an IP address, that's called sock puppetry. If you are doing this, choose one _or_ the other – you shouldn't edit from both, and definitely shouldn't edit the same articles or article talk pages from both. BaseballBaby 05:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I prayed for your health problems. Glad to see a reply from you. Considering your comments, I agree with all of them except a couple maybe. I agree that I procrastinated in replying in general and I'm sorry. Yet, better late than never.

As for your statement that my first edit was the one about the Shuster awards, again your correct and good research, which I should've clarified if I didn't; although, and in all due respect, possibly it wasn't your intention, I think your comment about, Let's get that straight before you blame me for ruinning your first article ever, could be taken as adversial or was adversial, when your pointing out of my mistake had alread sufficed and had been well put. I know maybe you could counter the latter as hypocrisim wish my mention of you on the Pump page, but I think that my comments were well put and unadversial there.

As for your statement that I should've contacted you first vs a public forum, I could see that too, but it's proper ettequite to not correct a fellow worker, user or etc (although, I do sometime using "In all due respect" phrasing and etc.) and to instead go to their superior officer, or possibly in our case Wikipedia in general because we're all a part of it (technically I know it's owned as a business by someone though.); wherefore, usually, as I think you concsiously or unconsciously proved with a ring of acknowledgement in your reply, the individual has to deal with the facts of if they did or didn't do the best that they could've done.

Finally, if you mean that I've been editing under my old IP address or whatever and my member account I understand. I've accidentally done one or two edits I think under the old IP, but I'm pretty sure all the other IP stuff was before I became a member. Again though, good observation on your part if that's what you were addressing. I'm well aware that your heavily involved with Wikipedia. Sorry about thinking you were an Administrater.

Thanks again for all of your excellent suggestions, which I look forward to trying out. I have given much thought to thinking about how I can help Wikipedia with helping articles be the best they can be. So the suggestion and your reply in general was much appreciated. Your brother in Christ, DavidWJohnson 18:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for suggesting I check out the Recent Changes Patrol. It was very interesting. Do you simply browse through articles or does Wikipedia assign them to you. I didn't quite understand that (while writing this I saw that there's a link for "Recent Changes," which may be where you patrol. maybe that's where one sees New Articles and etc. too. Or, maybe the "Random article" link could be used in a similar fashion by a patroller.). Although, hopefully I can help you out in all due respect. I do think your User page makes it clear that you think you're not intentionally being mean to anyone, and that you encourage them to leave you civilized replys (the latter part I totally agree with.), but maybe you haven't realized that you had come off wrong to someone.

Regarding the Recent Changes Patrol you suggest I read, which you're possibly well aware of already, it states:

Because no wikipedians like their edits to be deleted, it is important to leave concise but clear justifications on the talk page or in the edit summary.

I know it goes on to mention what basically admits to vandalisim next, but it also states to be sure if or if not the editor intended that and to help educate them with a note in the reason section or on their talk page. It then goes on to enforce that patrollers be careful with Newbies and that besides leaving the form templates you'd mentioned, that that a note should be left in their talk page to help educate them, and or to be helpful in educating them in general.

Therefore, I know that you patrol a lot of articles and that you could say that you don't have time to do that. If that's the case then I encourage you to browse fewer ones so that you can honor the patroller rules as stated. Again, I'm not saying that it's intentional on your part, but I think this would help you overall be a better patroller. You're already honoring other aspects of the patrollers very well, and this would only help you more.

Finally, I enjoyed seeing on your User page that your a user that remembers rotary telephones. Do you remember their distinct sound? I remember them too and that sound. Your User page also has some other interesting things that your a part of besides being a patroller, including being a registered nurse. For what it's worth are you a man or a woman? Thanks again and I hope this helps. Your Brother in Christ, DavidWJohnson 00:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)