Talk:List of cities in Missouri
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[edit] Saint vs. St.
The cities stored under 'Saint' now point to 'Saint'. Those stored under 'St.' still point to 'St.'.
I was going to start moving the 'St.' cities in Missouri to 'Saint', but decided to do some research. My understanding of Wikipedia policy is there is a general guideline to avoid use of abbreviations. I've looked for an official policy on 'Saint' vs. 'St.' and haven't found one yet, although I did find some angry words about changing 'St.' to 'Saint' on a user:talk page - I don't consider that official.
If anybody sees this, can you guide me to a policy page? I'll follow an official policy. If there isn't one, my thought would be "don't use abbreviations." Using that criteria, we should move all 'St.' articles to 'Saint'.
If we go the other way, we should move all the 'Saint' articles to 'St.'. The idea of cities -> 'St.' and people -> 'Saint' is viable, too, but it leaves a funny taste in my brain.
Love to hear other thoughts.
Brian Rock 04:55, Apr 3, 2004 (UTC)
- The usual rule (highest level rule?) is "use the name most people will naturally link to". At least that's why they never let me move United States to United States of America. I think most people would link to St. Louis, Missouri, not Saint Louis, Missouri but I don't know if this was ever part of a naming convention - maybe the de facto "leave it where ever Rambot put it" convention. Rmhermen 05:06, Apr 3, 2004 (UTC)
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- Just read it, see below.
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- Some discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(city_names). I'm wading through it.
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- The 'most people' argument would probably use the abbreviation. I don't think Rambot is consistent, or maybe folks have been moving things around. I do know that it's 'Saint Louis, Missouri', which I think is the biggest 'Saint' city in the US. Not that that means anything.
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- I want closure, but of course, we don't always get what we want. For the moment, I won't go moving 'Saint's to 'St.'s or vice versa.
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- Thanks. Brian Rock 05:21, Apr 3, 2004 (UTC)
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- One more quick note. I read it some more and I don't see that the Naming conventions page really settled the issue. I don't want to start a project that will draw a lot of heat, so I figure I'll just leave things as they are. Maybe some day, we'll get a standard. Brian Rock 05:30, Apr 3, 2004 (UTC)
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- According to my Webster's dictionary, "St." should always be used in reference to a title (regardless of the fact it's an abbreviation) and the "Saint" cities are named for someone who is a saint. That is, "Saint Louis" is improrper, it should be "St. Louis" because the city was named for St. Louis IX (or X?).Rt66lt 07:27, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List of towns and villages in Missouri
Much of the information in the towns and villages articles belongs here; Missouri does not recognize "town" as an entity in the state.Rt66lt 07:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC) I have went through and staightened out the towns and villages and cities articles via the state's official manual.Rt66lt 03:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
