Talk:List of steampunk works

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I'll throw this into the discussion page because I don't feel like chasing up titles, but Robert Rankin has a number of stories that clearly fit under the steampunk banner. They posit a Victorian era that was packed with modern technology (including a space program) based around Babbage creating a sophisticated computer and Nicolai Tesla perfecting the wireless transmission of energy. They are his more recent works.

Removed a bunch of entries to the music section. I think people are confusing "Steampunk", for "Victorian Revival", and "Western Folk". Although there were some bands in that list that had nothing to do with any of the above.

1 Fritz Lang's "Woman in the Moon"
2 Mousehunt
3 Removed link
4 Re-arranging the music links
5 Kingdom Hearts?
6 Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
7 This list sucks
8 The removed
9 Steampunk or High Fantasy?
10 Dark City

[edit] Fritz Lang's "Woman in the Moon"

Does anyone else think that maybe it could be added to the list, as it could possibly be classified as modern steampunk?? --Promus Kaa 19:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mousehunt

How the hell is mousehunt steampunk?

It isn't and I removed the link --FACT50 20:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed link

I'm sorry but Emilie Autumn is not Steampunk in any way shape or form. She makes Industrial music, and tries to sell it as Victoriandustrial. After listening to her album, I have a hard time even finding anything remotely victorian about her music at all. --FACT50 10:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re-arranging the music links

Taking out the music video, and album sub-headers. They seem kind of redundant, when a simple link to each band that has shown steampunk inclinations will suffice. --FACT50 21:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Please stop reverting my changes. It is not possible to list a NPOV opinion on albums and videos. I will continue to check and make sure these links stay the way they are. If whoever is changing these wishes to debate their inclusion, please use this talk page to do so. --FACT50 18:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kingdom Hearts?

Can we justify the inclusion of KH as a steampunk-themed series? Seems to me that outside of a few vaguely similar instances (Traverse/Twilight Town & Hollow Bastion primarily), there's not much to go on. The few things that qualify it are incidental rather than fundamental.

TT and HB are probably the only instances of steampunk-esque work in the game, you're right, but I think the influences are there. Think back to the room with all the clock mechanisms in Travese Town, and all the scenes involving the clock tower. The library in Hollow Bastion seems to be very Victorian-age influenced and also contains similar clockwork gadgets. I'm not saying it's fundamentally steampunk - but neither is Harry Potter, and for one reason or another it's still listed here. The first paragraphs of the article state that not all of the works here were created with steampunk themes in mind. If we're going to prune titles like KH, Mr. Potter has to go as well, unless someone can justify the "steampunk" in that. Ministry of Silly Walks 18:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree that Harry Potter should not be in this list. I can see nothing Steampunk about the series? FACT50 17:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow

Would Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow classify as steampunk? It seemed like the obvious choice for me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.183.116.71 (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Sky Captain is Retro-Futurism, which is a closely related genre to Steampunk. In order for a work of fiction to be considered Steampunk, it must be either set in, or feature elements of victorian science fiction. The recently used term for post WW1 alternate history like Skycaptain is "Dieselpunk" which I guess works, but further confuses people with it's use of the word "punk". FACT50 00:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I've removed it from the list again. Add it to retro-futurism or start a dieselpunk entry (the dieselpunk section was just removed from Steampunk) but this is a List of steampunk works which it isn't. (Emperor 01:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] This list sucks

Sorry if that offends, but this list is way too inclusive, to the point that it is of no real use to someone who is looking for good examples of steampunk. It basically lists anything that involves steam or anachronisms. This isn't really sufficient to be "steampunk". I think the "punk" part is being forgotten. There has to be some kind of social message or theme. Back to the Future III? Harry Potter? Give me a break. 24.6.99.30 00:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd probably include Back to the Future II and III but there are certianly entries here that should go. I'd suggest we list entries that are a cause for concern and kick them around a bit. I have removed one recently (gotham by Gaslight - only its sequel is steampunk) and even in the comics section there are a couple that give me cause for concern: Batman: The Doom that Came to Gotham is Batman/Lovecraft and although I haven't read it descrptions of JLA: Age of Wonder suggest, while Victorian, it isn't that Steampunky [1] (although this suggests differntly so...) I have to say though that the punk is rather misleading (and more from their riffing off cyberpunk than there being that many punk elements) as very little of it is punky (possibly Baker Street being the exception). There is actually a bit of discussion on that here. (Emperor 01:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC))

Yes the title Steampunk is entirely misleading. Their have only been a handfull of novels with that kind of anti-establishment feel that cyberpunk genrally features. The name steampunk was created as a joke to describe a few mid-80's cyberpunk novels that were set in a alternate victorian era (The Anubis Gates, Difference Engine, etc.). Steampunk is often used to refer to Le Voyages Extraordinaire, Verne's classic Scientific Romance novels. Back to the Future III even has a reference to Verne in a discussion between Doc Brown and Clara. As far as I'm concerned Steampunk has nothing at all to do with "punk", and very little to do with cyberpunk. FACT50 00:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The removed

I have taken the following out of the television section: The Big O, Sherlock Hound, Fullmetal Alchemist, Kino's Journey, Reign: The Conqueror, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Five Children and It. Victorian or retro-futurist settings aren't enough to qualify as steampunk and there is also nothing on the entry's page to suggest they are Steampunk - if anyone wants to add them back in then they really need to demonstrate it on the entries page (and it has to stick as other editors may disagree with you) otherwise there isn't much point in adding them back in as the criteria they were removed on hasn't changed. I have been through the comics section and have some doubts (see above) but they involve entries that haven't been created yet so I'll wait and see. I'll also check other sections over time. (Emperor 15:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

Sherlock Hound must remain in the list, in each and every episode, there was some kind of over the top steampunk invention (usually utilized or stolen by Moriarty). Especially the episodes that were directed by Hayao Miyazaki, who as most anyone can tell you has a penchant for steamtech in almost everything he releases. You can find plot synopsis for 10 of the 26 episodes at: http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/holmes/story.html Epsiode #9 in particular featured a submarine, and an airship as major plot points. FACT50 18:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Then expand the Sherlock Hound entry - I'm not saying that they aren't steampunky just that there is nothing there to justify its inclusion. The infobox has room for genres and there is the steampunk category. Its worth noting that, from what I've read, it is set in the early 20th century and submarines and airships (and it appears airplanes) aren't necessarily indicators of steampunk (a key hallmark is out of place/anachronistic technology). (Emperor 19:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

Ummm a multiple person submersible in the 1860's is out of place anachronistic technology. The show was certainly not set in the 20th century. In addition to the aformentioned vehicles, Moriarty also used a gigantic drilling machine to break into the vault of a castle on a mountain, there was an episode with a clockwork loch ness monster featured, there was a tank in one as well. I can't remember everything from the series, because I haven't seen it in a few years. I do remember how pleasently surprised I was to find all of the steampunk elements in it though when I rented the series. I'm not that great at editing wiki pages, how do I add to the categorey list? Also I added a little mention of the steampunk influence in the synopsis. FACT50 19:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Well Sherlock Holmes is late 19th/early 20th century and the only mention of the date I found (granted it was a IMDB review so I wasn't taking it as read - there is just little English information) said 20th C (it is worth noting how sophisticated submarines were in the late 19th C though [2]). As I say I'm not arguing that it (or the others) aren't steampunk I'm saying that the specific entry has to justify its inclusion on the list (which is why there isn't much point arguing for it here - better off adding the information into the entry). The list cannot work the other way round with the only sign that it is steampunk being is inclusion on the list - that starts to get into very tricky territory and makes a nonsense of the list as someone checking it will end up scratching their head over why exactly some of those qualify. If people updte the other entries to show why they qualify for the list then people can put them back in. I see you've updated the Sherlock Hound entry and that is all I'm asking ;) I'll go and drop in the category if you haven't (its probably easier to show than explain) (Emperor 19:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

Possible Spoilers For Full Metal Alchemist: FMA is set in an alternate version of the 1920s where electricity was never developed to a very large extent, so steam trains are common, and other than automail, there are very few machines. The end of the anime does feature victorian styled characters, however, they are anachronistic by the show's canon. Automail on it's own might possibly qualify as steampunk, however, it's unknown what, if anything, powers it so it's hard to say. If you assume that automail is no more advanced than any of the other machines shown in the show, it would imply that it is made with approximately victorian level technology, and could possibly qualify as steampunk.Ziiv 04:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed Brazil (film) (1985). Again the list is to accumulate things that are proven to be Steampunky on their own entries and including them in is then the final step in the process. This came up recently on a Steampunk forum and while Gilliam's work tends to the quirkly elaborate it would be a stretch to describe Brazil (or any of his work this side of baron Munchausen) as Steampunk (and I am a big fan of his films). However, again, I'm open to discussion on it but the first port of call should b the Brazil entry itself. (Emperor 14:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Steampunk or High Fantasy?

I noticed that Morrowind and Oblivion are on the list, as well as a bunch of other sci-fi games that I don't ever recall having a steampunk aspect such as Chrono Trigger. If a game is prominently high fantasy or generic sci-fi, the steampunk aspects should be pointed out or the item should be removed. Ziiv 03:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. It does need policing. Go through them and take out what you don't think should be there. A criteria I used in the section above was looking for the actual word Steampunk in it. It is not down to this list to prove it is Steampunk purely by its inclusion - it has to be demonstrated on the page (even if this is only adding it to the Steampunk category) otherwise it fails verfiability and has to come out. As with what I did above drop in a list of what you remove in here and if people object we can discuss how to improve the article to prove steampunkery which would then make it elligible for inclusion on the list. (Emperor 03:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC))

allright I'll start the list:

If you think one of these games is steampunk, or has steampunk aspects, post why here. Ziiv 04:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I saw these games have been removed because they are far more high fantasy than steampunk, and I began wondering why the Warcraft games are still included. To my opinion these are very much high fantasy and there is as much "steampunk" in them as you can find in games like Morrowind.Cyanid 12:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

They haven't been removed because they're more high fantasy than steampunk, they've been removed because they don't say what about them is steampunk. Warcraft has its goblin and gnomish helecopters, zepplins, and other devices juxtaposed into a primarily medieval setting. If you'ld like to argue that that's not steampunk, go right ahead. These were just removed because there's nothing on their respective pages that mentions anything about steampunk or anything related to steampunk.Ziiv 16:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I can vouch for the following titles:

Darkwatch -Western Horror, with many Steam powered mechanisms, the Darkwatch organization as a whole has many steam powered weapons, and an advanced train with many steampunk elements. They also utilize a war wagon that is steam powered.

Rocket Knight Adventures - Has levels that take place in very Victorian themed settings, including an incredibly Steampunk level inside and on top of a giant airship. Some of the flying segments, have the user face off against many other steampunk inspired flying machines, and the user's character (Sparkster) has a mechanical suit of armor with a jetpack attached.

TimeSplitters - Has had levels set in the turn or the century, and WW1, where the technology is very anachronistic. One stage had the user infiltrating an undersea base below a castle off the coast of scotland (set in 1912). The base its self featured Art Nouveau architecture, a drilling machine straight out of Journey to the Center of the Earth, steam powered mechas, and the user had access to decidedly steampunk weapons. FACT50 22:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - Has underground factory-like lairs guarded by steam-powered constructs.Cyanid 11:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dark City

I feel like adding Dark City to the list but I don't really know what is the right section, if you're familiar with the topic feel free to add it. Nicolas1981 21:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it fits more into the dieselpunk category Cyanid 21:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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