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[edit] Is Yumi really "new" first-year student?
At the start of the story, around 5 or 6 monthes have passed since her entrance to Lillian high school. Moreover she has been in Lillian academy since her kindergarten year.--132.179.39.36
[edit] Lily
the use of lilies reinforces this in subtext, as do the names of the student council and of the school itself.
It's disputable. Lily seems to be used as the symbol of Virgin Mary.--132.179.39.36
Perhaps it should be logged at a potential double entendre, then?--Art is life and life is an art. 06:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
IMHO... No. See "To Yuri, or Not to Yuri" below. --Stahlwolf 18:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Soeurs vs. Sœurs
I'm not a speaker of French, but it seems like this French website spells it as Soeurs. [1] -- 69.212.100.83
- Same thing. oe (single letters) functions the same as the œ combined character. Same thing with ae and æ.--Mitsukai 00:51, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Lillian
Hello, I haven't seen the TV series, but as far as on novels, Lilian is not a boarding school. Every students referred in works live with their family.
- ... now that you mention it, that sounds right. Didn't Yumi live at home? I'm reluctant to change the article on my memory alone, though. --Aponar Kestrel 06:12, 2004 Jul 11 (UTC)
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- Yumi and the rest do have homes to go to after school. Lillian is not a boarding school. It is a large campus comprised of many schools from kindergarten to college. There are, however, college dorms, as indicated in the third novel when Sei mentions Shiori living there. And a convent. So, while living 'on campus' is possible, just not plausible during prepatory studies. --Stahlwolf 05:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Voice actors
The following may be useful once the second season can be written about...
- From http://forums.animesuki.com/archive/index.php/t-16881.html:
- Matsudaira Touko is voiced by Kugimiya Rie (Rizel in "Rizelmine" and Alphonse Elric in "Fullmetal Alchemist")
- Nijou Noriko is voiced by Shimizu Kaori (Iwakura Lain in "serial experiments lain" and Miyashita Touka in "Boogiepop Phantom")
Kugimiya Rie: 釘宮理恵 Shimizu Kaori: 清水香里 (official HP: http://www.kaoryclub.com/)
I haven't verified any of this, mind. But, once blurbs can be written for them, these seiyuu will also need articles...
(Please remove this section from the Talk: once it's included in the article proper.)
--Aponar Kestrel 06:12, 2004 Jul 11 (UTC)
[edit] Things removed
Removed: TV series being based on the manga. The novels came first (1988), followed by the anime (Jan 2004), the manga (Feb 2004) and the Drama CD series. The anime series has very little to do with the manga and vice-versa, being made almost simultaneously, with no co-ordination. -- 219.93.174.100
- Actually the manga version first appeared in a sem-monthly shojo manga magazine Margaret in 2003 before the anime. Volume 1 of the tankōbon was later sold in 2004. --Tokek 03:47, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
- Also, multiple sources say the first volume of the novel came out in 1998, not 1988. --Tokek 04:18, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
- Even before the animated series was produced, the Marimite novels and manga had - and still have - an enormous yuri fandom as well. needs correction too. --132.179.39.36
Removed: "At the TV series release, reportedly half of all yuri fanwork distributed in Japan, such as on 2chan, was based on Marimite." Reported by whom? And honestly, I just checked 2chan's yuri board -- the first thing I saw was a picture of cats gathered around a mouse or hamster cage with the caption 'Tasukete onee-sama~' followed by a picture of Alf captioned something like 'Tasukete yarou!' Is this really encyclopedic? --Aponar Kestrel 17:33, 2004 Jul 28 (UTC)
- Also removed, after copyediting:
- Marimite has also popularized the phrase ごきげんよう (gokigen'yō, an honorific (teinei) phrase used both as a greeting and as a parting) among both Japanese and Anglophone fans of the show.
- It's not really encyclopedic yet; right now it's just ephemera. If it's still in use a year or two after the series ends, then it'll be encyclopedic. --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 01:32, 2004 Sep 15 (UTC)
[edit] Third season
The DVD releases for the third season OVA are now listed on http://www.animate-shop.jp (and no doubt other sites will follow). I've added what detail I can from them, but one unknown is the episode count - I suspect it should be 10, since I'm sure I've seen the figure 50min/DVD somewhere, but in the absence of a reference I've listed 5 (one per DVD). SimonB NZ 06:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- http://www.animate.tv/nf/detail.php?id=0000000769 states the DVDs will be 50 minutes each, so I feel safe bumping the episode count up to 10 now SimonB NZ 08:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Replacing pictures
Just took down the copyright-ambiguous pictures that had been removed earlier (and someone subsequently had put back in). I'm thinking at this point these pictures should proabably be removed outright and replaced with something known to be okay, like a screenshot or something.--Mitsukai 00:58, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] External links
According to WP:EL there should only be one fansite listed per article. Do we need a French, Spanish and three Japanese fansites in the EL? --Squilibob 07:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
- Ordinarily I don't care enough to enforce that, but yeah, this was ... excessive. I've cut pretty much all of them out. (I left Yumi-chan's Ribbon solely because it amused me, and shan't complain if it gets removed too.) –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 06:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Time Paradox?
Hey, just finished watching episode 11 of the first season and... Why did Christmas came after Valentine's Day...? I was wondering if the episodes were arranged like Suzumiya Haruhi, but it's the first time I noticed this not so coherent order of events. It's also weird that I can't seem to find any metion about this, here or on any other page. So, did I missed something or is it really an error? Thanks. ShinjiPG 19:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Artistic license in depicting the order of events? Personally I just assumed that the episodes weren't arranged in strict chronological order and left it at that. I don't think it's terribly notable. –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 14:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
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- My point is, why did they suddenly changed the order of events if, so far, it was following a correct chronological order. Made no sense to me, artistically or not. There's something called "to be coherent". ShinjiPG 10:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
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- The Valentine's Day episode aired before the Christmas episode to coincide with the air date being near Valentine's Day 2004. --Stahlwolf 05:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] To yuri, or Not to yuri....
With all this talk about Marimite being yuri, it really isn't when you step back and take a good look. It's about students growing up in high school. It just happens to be an all-girls school. There are relationships, crushes, and a romance, but it's not at all graphic as yuri is said to be. Shoujo ai is more commonplace in this series, and all the references to yuri doujinshi and the like seems to tarnish the luster of this drama. This story is not fantsy-based. There are no magic users or robots. No inuendoes of pulling swords in and out of peoples bodies. The background to Marimite is that of real-life.... or reality. That's why there are no bright colors. No weird hair styles. No talking animals. It is my opinion that the term 'yuri' for Marimite should be filtered and paragraph in Story and Setting reference edited. --Stahlwolf 06:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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- You use the word "yuri" wrong. Yuri refers to all relationships between females with romantic undertones. Shoujo-ai is a term coined by confused westerners, and has little relevance. Further, yuri does not have much to do with a series being fantasy-based or not. The term yuri is thus highly appropriate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.136.135.218 (talk) 22:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] "Questionable art quality"
Seems like an intrusion of opinion into what should be a factual article. DavidJohns 02:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
- If it's been noted in reviews etc. then it's part of the critical reception of the series. - Malkinann 04:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Shouldn't those reviews be cited, then? There is one review ([2]) linked at the bottom of the article, and it doesn't contain anything about questionable art quality. In fact, it it very positive about the art. "questionable art quality" sounds very much like opinion. It doesn't belong in the section of the article it's currently in (having nothing to do with the story or setting), it belongs in a "reception" section, and it doesn't belong in the article at all unless it can be backed up with some reviews. Right now it's pretty much weasel-wording. 24.69.167.159 19:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm guessing this was a typo. I suspect the original author meant to type "unquestionable." It makes much more sense in the context of the sentence/paragraph, which immediately goes on to discuss artistic choices, etc. K8inorbit 15:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
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- From that interview: "While the animation itself isn't particularly spectacular (and Studio Deen's work apparently fluctuates in later episodes), the artwork is very appealing,..." - Malkinann 00:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Wheres the info?
All thats in the article is a brief description of the premise, and of the characters involved. There is next to no info on how the story develops, or anything other than what is in the anime series......there is no info on the manga or novel version for example. Where is it? -- Question2
- Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. There is a Spanish FA that you could translate. Please put new questions on the bottom of the page. - Malkinann 03:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Is Kashiwagi really gay?
One section under the character description of Kashiwagi says he's "gay and in love with Yumi's brother, Yuuki". That's... questionable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.229.80.180 (talk) 09:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC).
- Acording to the manga, yes, he is gay (Though it seems they didn't make it so explicit nor clear in the anime), and considering that Kashiwagi and Yuuki are often seen close, it's quite posible (It might be official in the manga too, but I still haven't read the whole of it) (Alexlayer 01:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC))
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- Yeah, he's gay. As for him crushing on Yuuki, maybe it's more of a novel thing? (or the manga/anime just hasn't caught up yet. - Malkinann 03:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
"When I entered high school, what do you think Suguru-san said when he came to my high school entrance party? 'I can see myself in you, so if we got married, it would surely turn out well. We each could live as we pleased, let's stay out of each other's hair.' When I asked 'What do you mean?' he confessed 'You might not like this, but for sex partners, I only like men.' So if I want to have children, I have to take a lover from outside the marriage. It looks like he would accept my children in the family, and they could inherit the Ogasawara group. He said since they'll be more or less connected by blood, he'll still love them. What in the world is he thinking? He thinks I'm a fool." [3]
