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Contents 1 "Marvel Comics" vs. "Marvel Comics universe" 2 Question regarding EIC list 3 Atlas/Seaboard 4 "Notable" Timely heroes 5 Felicia (pseudonym) 6 Atlas 7 "The Swarm" Cybercomic 8 Earth-616 9 Bankruptcy 10 Seduction of the Innocent 11 Seduction II , Comic Code and Magazine Management Co. 12 Marvel Comics slogan 12.1 Founder 13 CC of posting at Steel 14 Marvel Universe Infobox 15 "Canam Publishers Sales Corp."? 16 Biasm 17 Early 70's price controls and Marvel 18 In-line references 19 List of animation, television series and films based on Marvel Comics 20 Addition of one more link 21 Editors in Chief 22 Article needs proper sourcing

[edit] "Marvel Comics" vs. "Marvel Comics universe"

One of the two terms above is used in most entries for Marvel Comics characters, which generally say either "so-and-so is a fictional Marvel Comics superhero" or "so-and-so is a fictional superhero in the Marvel Comics universe" (as it says, for instance, in entry for Ego, The Living Planet]

The two terms each link to separate Wikipedia entries. They mean different things -- one entry is about a comic-book company, the other about an internally consistent fictional setting, ala Tolkein's Middle-earth -- yet they are used interchangeably.

For consistency and clarity, it might be good to establish some sort of standard language for these Marvel Comics entries. -Tenebrae, Sept. 6, 2005, 8:32PM ET

Should there be a "Categories: Marvel Comics characters"? The numerous "Avengers members", "Defenders members", etc., etc. categories could then be properly-nested subcategories of it. -- Metahacker 23:07, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Why should an article on this company appear in an encyclopedia? This seems to be advertising disguised as education. Hmmm.

Probably because it is also a cultural icon. Would you rather have a gap in the encyclopedia? -- Metahacker 18:47, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

i agree with the afor proposal of making the character list easier to navigate. as to the comment of the entire article not beloning here: if it where an advertisement then why would DC be here as well? Marvel and DC where major players in american Culture duing the golden and silver ages of comics, there for they have a rightfull place in an online encyclopedia that for all intents and pourpouses....includes any thing and everthing that exists in the known universe ---Iorek Brynson 9:59 AM, May 17, 2005

In the many months since this discussion in May 2005, I've noticed, in articles other than mine (and a form I've been emulating), a semi-consistent convention in the lead sentencce of Marvel-character entries: "So-and-so is a fictional superhero (or Western hero, etc.) in the Marvel Comics universe". This seems to cover all the bases. Thoughts? — Tenebrae 00:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

That's the format I've been using. Dr Archeville 20:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question regarding EIC list

Credits in color titles published in 1975-76 list Marv Wolfman as EIC of the color line, and I'm pretty sure that Wein stepped down in 1975 and Wolfman took over, per an announcement in the Bulletins page in the comics. Why does the EIC list here show something else?

N. Caligon 01:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Not sure on that one but here's another - just how long was Conway EiC for? I was always under the impression he held the job for less than two weeks in 1976 (it seems several were almost forced into the chair) but this list implies he was there for longer. Timrollpickering 8 July 2005 15:41 (UTC)

The Bullpen Bulleteins page in Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #1, cover dated December 1976 (so I'd guess on sale August) has a list of editorial staff with Archie Goodwin listed as "Editor" and Conway, along with Thomas, Wein and Wolfman listed as "Consultant Editors" or similar. Given this and the stories that Conway was in the job very briefly I'm going to change his date to 1976. Timrollpickering 13:30, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Atlas/Seaboard

RE: "Goodman created a new company called Atlas Comics, but the effort didn't last a year." This company, actually called Atlas/Seaboard, is completely unrelated to Marvel Comics; Goodman was no longer with Marvel, and was free to create any new company he wished. See Atlas/Seaboard Comics -- Tenebrae 11:43 AM, Aug. 10, 2005

I know. I wrote that line. Your point is...? --Pc13 16:29, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

The way it had been written made it seem as if this new Atlas was somehow part of Marvel. Just a language thing, not a fact thing. No biggie. --Tenebrae 3:52 PM, Aug. 30, 2005

[edit] "Notable" Timely heroes

The list of other "notable" Timely heroes ran the risk of becoming an ever-increasing list. I've removed The Fin, Black Marvel and Red Raven. According to Jess Nevins's Timely Heroes site, they were actually pretty minor. Red Raven appeared in one story during the Golden Age, The Fin in three and Black Marvel in six. --Pc13 16:01, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Felicia (pseudonym)

Hi, My having failed to persuade anyone that Felicia (pseudonym) isn't non-notable, it seems to me that 'she' therefore deserves at least a mention on this page. And potentially, to be merged to this page? Yes? No? Regards, Ben Aveling 01:54, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

With all due respect to the well-sourced amount of work and time you clearly put it, my opinion as one voice in the debate is that Felicia just seems like an anonymous press source, the kind reporters frquently (if not always responsibly) use. Just doesn't seem like "Deep Throat" significance, or that the source's actions had much, if any impact. -- Tenebrae 00:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it should be merged with the article, both due to the sizes of said articles, as well as the different purposes they serve. Sure, it can be mentioned in a section with a pointer back to the main article, but merging would be pointless.--Mitsukai 16:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

The question isn't the size of both articles, it's whether "Felicia" deserves an article at all. The so-called source wasn't even used for journalistic purposes. "Felicia" was an informant to Rich Johnston, a self-styled rumor monger who always avoided the journalist tag (both for ethical and professional reasons - it would force him to check his sources, instead of just blogging, and it would forbid him to work in advertising, his main source of income). I agree "Felicia"'s impact in the industry in Marvel business practices were minimal, and that it's importance is severely overrated. At best, this deserves a one-sentence mention in the 2000s section. At worst, this is fancruft. --Pc13 16:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with Tenebrae and Pc13. Anthopos 21:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I would oppose the mergist proposion on the same logic as Mitsukai. --LukeSurl 19:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Ditto. She deserves her own article. Nightscream 06:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, if we can't merge it here, I propose a second nomination for WP:AfD. Felicia is nothing more than a limited piece of trivia. --Pc13 08:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Agree with Pc13 -- Tenebrae 17:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Felicia doesn't even deserve a mention, much less a merge. CovenantD 23:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Leave as is per Mitsukai. Metamagician3000 09:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I proposed Felicia for WP:AFD. --Pc13 10:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Felicia should be left as is. Its an interesting and well-sourced article.

Please sign your comments. And even if one were to accept your anonymous points, they still don't make Felicia of encyclopedic weight or value. Is every industry's unnamed gossip now going to get an encyclopedia section?-- Tenebrae 19:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

  With all due respect, in this case, it represents an unusual event in comics history. Namely that the reaction to such a leak went in such a bizzare direction; and that it was given so much attention at the time.-the man with no reason to sighn.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.23.59.119 (talk • contribs).

This discussion was over a long time ago, and Admins ruled against a Felicia entry. Please stop bringing it up. --Tenebrae 01:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atlas

Someone very knowledgable has added a great deal of info on Marvel's 1950s iteration, Atlas (though the prose itself needed some cleanup). The level of detail is such that I wonder if it might not work better to synthesize the basics here, and blend the rest into Atlas Comics? Thoughts? -- Tenebrae

Agreed. Once its own article, it could do with another expansion, though. --Pc13 10:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I just noticed I had a typo in my original query just above, which messed up the link to the existing Atlas Comics (1950s) site. That caused some confusion, for which I apologize. I've fixed it in my paragraph above. What I meant to suggest was blending the details of the Atlas portion of the Marvel article with the existing 1950s Atlas article. -- Tenebrae 03:42, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "The Swarm" Cybercomic

Recently, Marvel Comics and M&M'S Brand have teamed up to create a cybercomic featuring the M&M's Minis characters called "The Swarm". The story's about the Minis accidently creating a freak Spokescandy called "Master M", who traps them in his Twisted Tube and transports them into various environments to annihilate them as revenge for ruining his dreams. For example, the Blue Minis end up in an aquarium, while the Red Minis find themselves in a carnival. Should the article say something about this? - NES Boy 22:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Earth-616

Do we have a list, or is there a list elsewhere, of all the titles in the Earth-616 continuity? I'm interested in finding specifically a list of the X-men titles that fall under Earth-616 but thought that such a list may be good to have here on the Wikipedia. Maybe List of Earth-616 comic titles would be good? Dismas|^(talk) 06:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Haven't we been through this before? Such a list would be practically identical to List of Marvel Comics publications, except for three or four exceptions. --Pc13 13:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to have bothered you. I'll remember not to stain this talk page with my presence again. Dismas|^(talk) 22:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bankruptcy

What type of bankruptcy did Marvel file for? Elijya 18:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Chapter 11. --Pc13 19:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seduction of the Innocent

some days ago i've added a note about infamous Seduction of the Innocent book and Comic Code (you know ...). Someone has removed since off-topic. IMHO it was topic, 'cause directly related to failure of comic book market in '50s. In fact this article still report "An attempted superhero revival from 1953 to 1954, with the Human Torch, the Sub-Mariner and Captain America, failed." --88.149.169.237 19:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Those comics' failures had absolutely nothing to do with the Comics Code. You can read more about it at Atlas Comics (1950s) and Silver Age of Comic Books, and in such magazines as Alter Ego and Comic Book Artist, not to mention several books on the subject of comics history. --Tenebrae 21:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

i not mean there is direct correlation between closing of Cap.America comicbook and Comic Code, but IMHO it have had (bad) influence in comicbook market in 50s.. in sales and to edulcorate contents.. but ok.. :)

[edit] Seduction II , Comic Code and Magazine Management Co.

this article says "In 1968, company founder Martin Goodman sold Marvel Comics and his other publishing businesses to the Perfect Film and Chemical Corporation. It grouped these businesses in a subsidiary called Magazine Management Co. Goodman remained as publisher." BUT i've reading a copy in internet of "Comic Books and Juvenile Deliquency: Interim Report of the Committee on the judiciary," (the infamous 1955 US Congress report related with Comic Code ) that already mention Magazine Management Co. like the owner of 31(!) publisher in the hands of Goodman.

If the internet copy [1] is unaltered , i must suppose that Magazine Management Co. ALREADY grouped Goodman's comics business in 1954-55. (of course he hasn't yet sold to Chemical/Cadence.. only grouped). Someone can confirm?

Another note: the doc mention as address '270 Park Avenue, N.Y'. Since all publisher and distributor are in this address, i can suppose it's only a "legal/commercial" address.. or what? I've noticed because it's not mentioned in bunch of addresses of this article.. Someone confirm/has more detail ? --88.149.169.237 18:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

These are all really good questions. I'm a bit tapped out on energy at the moment, but I will definitely follow-up tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for what sounds like a really interesting lead!-- Tenebrae 20:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marvel Comics slogan

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the company's name ever "Make Mine Marvel"? 69.230.215.101 03:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Founder

Do you mind that I put the name of Marvel's founder?Brian Boru is awesome 14:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CC of posting at Steel

User:24.60.85.190 again

Almost as soon as he returned from the block, User:24.60.85.190 is still adding linkspam, enough so that I've reported a 3RR vio here. I'm afraid I found the directions daunting, and I might have filled out the form incorrectly. Whatever the case, I wanted to let you and the other three editors working on this know about the 3RR request. As I said there, this anon-IP has become obstinate, seems dismissive of Wiki policies, isn't making worthwhile contributions, and only seems interested in advertising his blog. -- Tenebrae 13:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marvel Universe Infobox

Does anyone this a Marvel Universe Infobox would be appropriate? Kind of like the Star Wars one where it's put at the bottom of each article. It could list all the major super heroes and films and everything. Anybody? PrettyMuchBryce 16:46, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Canam Publishers Sales Corp."?

Early issues of the Fantastic Four (and I presume other titles published at the same time) listed "Canam Publishers Sales Corp." as the publisher and copyright holder in the indicia. Was "Marvel" merely the trade name, and "Canam" the actual incorporated entity? Also, "MC" was initially used on the cover, followed by "Marvel Comics Group" as of May, 1963 (while Canam continued to be listed). To what did the "group" refer? This article should explain this, if only in a footnote. Also, it looks like the printing was farmed out to "Eastern Color Printing Co." in Waterbury, Connecticut. Postdlf 22:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Canam was one of 59 shell corporations that publisher Martin Goodman used. See his article and more specifically see Atlas Comics (1950s)#After the Golden Age, paragraph 3, for details. Eastern Color Printing was one of the largest color printing presses in the U.S. at that time, dating to the 1930s. Virtually all East Coast newspaper comics and comic books were printed there for years. --Tenebrae 19:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I figured it was something like that. Is there a place for a complete list somewhere? It should also probably be mentioned in the different comic title articles what company names ostensibly held the copyrights. When I googled Canam, the only hits appeared to be library catalog entries for comic books; the catalogers just used the indicia information, so many resources will credit only those shell corporations instead of Marvel for its earliest titles. I don't have any info except for the FF as to what names were used in the indicia (I highly recommend the GIT Corp 44 Years of the Fantastic Four DVD, btw—full scans of every comic, cover to cover). Postdlf 20:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biasm

"DC was the equivalent of the big Hollywood studios: After the brilliance of DC's reinvention of the superhero ... in the late 1950s and early 1960s, it had run into a creative drought by the decade's end. There was a new audience for comics now, and it wasn't just the little kids that traditionally had read the books. The Marvel of the 1960s was in its own way the counterpart of the French New Wave.... Marvel was pioneering new methods of comics storytelling and characterization, addressing more serious themes, and in the process keeping and attracting readers in their teens and beyond. Moreover, among this new generation of readers were people who wanted to write or draw comics themselves, within the new style that Marvel had pioneered, and push the creative envelope still further."

uhhh, this qoute is a direct attack against a fellow company, much older than Marvel. Its also dumb to put that quote there because Marvel and DC contribute to their own ideas in different views. They have talented writers too. This quote is like Bill Gates quoting how Pcs develop faster than cars. Marvel is actually in my view a defilement of DC. Its like giving superman a Lazer gun and cool goggles, than making him commit genocide and than calling him a hero. Or like reinventing Bugs Bunny into some idiotic high-tech cartoon for kids with big d#$*%cks. Hey Minnie Mouse how about a bikini, a big ass and a figure? I mean I read that and in the following paragraph there is something about Jack Kirby, the king of comics, who contributed equally to DC as to Marvel in char creations? I vie for removal. --209.234.96.194 23:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I understand your POV, but Sanderson's comment is in no way, shape or form bias. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree, the quote is the published comment of a respected comics historian, and as valid an analysis as that of a film historian discussing Hollywood and the New Wave. This properly cited analysis is entirely valid under Wikipedia policy and guidelines; articles on the likes of Van Gogh or art movements, etc., include such analytical perspective by established critics and historians. -- Tenebrae 13:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early 70's price controls and Marvel

I read somewhere that in the early 1970's when there was a freeze on price and wage increases, Marvel increased the price of their comics. In response to a complaint by the government regarding the price increase, they put extra pages in some of their titles during one month. My memory of this is incomplete; I can't remember exactly, but for example, the Fantastic Four issue had a mini poster on glossy paper. I thought this would be a good addition, or at least for trivia. I would appreciate help with the facts on this.(Tighelander 05:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] In-line references

It is nice that this article has lots of references, but to qualify for good article status or better, the references need to be 'in-line', that is, references have to support specific facts, not just the article overall. This is pretty much impossible unless you have these reference works to look at. (The lesson in this is to make in-line references from the beginning; going back later is a pain!) ike9898 20:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

You are right, I have no clue where a lot of this information came from, surely if I visited the local library I could back up about everything here up but I don't have the time. The random list at the bottom requires that we trust that previous editors relied on these works to support what they did. --Quirex 15:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of animation, television series and films based on Marvel Comics

Is there any particular reason for there being 3 lists of media based on Marvel Comics? I don't see why animation should get its own article, why not just have one for films and one for movies? I also think TV movies should be listed under films, not television series. -Joltman 13:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Addition of one more link

Hello, I added one link to the external links page, that of the Unofficial Handbook of Marvel Comics. It is the only source that I've found that constantly updates and maintains a database of all the inkers, pencilers, cover artists, and writers on Marvel comics. I have read through the link policy on wikipedia and I believe that this is a relevant contributing source, much as a link to statistical databases are to sports entries. I have also removed one link to a site that has little content and has very few links that work.Folkform 08:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Folkform (talk • contribs) 08:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Editors in Chief

With Joe Q stepping down as EIC for a week in March, for Editor for Day, is it reasonable to break up his long running career as EIC? Although mostly sematics, he is technically unemployed for that week.

You sure he's giving up a week of salary, medical benefits, turning in his key card, etc.? Otherwise, I'm not sure he's really "unemployed" for that week. Sounds more like a week's vacation. --Tenebrae 01:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

What about co-editors?66.109.248.114

Not sure I understand the question. --Tenebrae 15:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Instead of stopping Joe's run as EIC, adding the Editors for a day, adding an asterix or something. 66.109.248.114

Isn't this just a marketing gimmick, like "Assistant Editor's Month"? -- Pc13 16:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article needs proper sourcing

Currently the article is drifting into Original Research and this should be avoided. The topic is quite notable and there are many books about the history of comics and Marvel comics. There is no reason this article should be so poorly sourced. --Quirex 15:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)