Talk:Michael Johns (executive)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material of any kind that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous. If such material is repeatedly inserted or there are other concerns relative to this policy, report it on the living persons biographies noticeboard.

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page.	Biography Portal
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the Project's quality scale. Please rate the article and then leave a short summary here to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the article. [FAQ]

	Michael Johns (executive) is part of WikiProject Lutheranism, an effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Lutheranism on Wikipedia. This includes but is not limited to Lutheran churches, Lutheran theology and worship, and biographies of notable Lutherans. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
Start	This article has been rated as start-Class on the quality scale.
Low	This article has been rated as low-importance on the importance scale.

Contents 1 Falsification on this page 2 GFDL issues 3 In lieu of a User Talk: page for "Rob" 4 Removing from Cleanup

[edit] Falsification on this page

Within the text now found in the section named "GFDL issues", two IP edits falsified the evolution of this talk page:

• The first changed the wording of a 'graph signed by a registered editor, and removed a pertinent sentence from a 'graph signed by another registered editor.
• The second removed two 'graphs signed by registered editors. (One of those 'graphs was the one previously shortened by one sentence.)

--Jerzy(t) 05:35, 2004 Jun 11 (UTC)

[edit] GFDL issues

The following 'graph is restored to its original form (the bold), eliminating the forgery (the struck-thru) effected in Revision as of 22:41, 2004 Apr 18 by User:205.188.116.19, but reformatted as to indentation. --Jerzy(t) 05:35, 2004 Jun 11 (UTC)

This page is adopted from a copy of the Disinfopedia page at http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Michael_Johns. Is their copyright compatible with ours? RickK 03:30, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

• They are licensed under GFDL [1]. Presumably this means that if anything in our article is copied from their site, we are obligated to provide a back-link to them, just as we would expect to be linked from their article if anything from here is copied there. - Nunh-huh 03:37, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

How do we do that? With an uneditable link at the bottom of the page? Or with something here on the talk page? RickK 03:39, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The following 'graph is restored (reformatted as to indentation) to this page, after

• the portion now shown in bold was removed without acknowledgement in Revision as of 22:41, 2004 Apr 18 by User:205.188.116.19, and
• the remainder including sig was removed in Revision as of 12:06, 2004 Apr 20 by User:152.163.252.39

--Jerzy(t) 05:39, 2004 Jun 11 (UTC)

• That, I think, is a problem that the copyright mavens here disagree about. If we copied their version, however, my feeling is that a link at the bottom of our article is a moral necessity, whether or not it's required by GFDL. Otherwise it's plagiarism. - Nunh-huh 03:44, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The following 'graph is restored (reformatted as to indentation) to this page, after being removed in Revision as of 12:06, 2004 Apr 20 by User:152.163.252.39 --Jerzy(t) 05:39, 2004 Jun 11 (UTC)

The frequent use of the word "helped" is not neutral in my eyes. Get-back-world-respect 13:53, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] In lieu of a User Talk: page for "Rob"

This will be terse because there is a limit to the Don't bite the newcomers policy.

It consists of suggestions to "Rob", the IP problem user who has been protecting his deathless prose by preventing Cleanup from running its course:

1. Pick an unused name. (Rob is a pretty short even tho it might be free; something long enough not to give cause for resentment to others would be better.) Use the log on link to become a registered user, and stop editing as an IP. This creates opportunities, too numerous to enumerate just now, for overcoming the bad impression you have made.
2. If you think no further attention via WP:CU is needed, make a comment to that effect there and/or here, and leave it listed there long enough for colleagues to have a chance to express their opinion on that.
3. Bear in mind that it's not your article, and you are probably the editor least qualified to decide whether it has a PoV problem.
4. Sign your messages using

--~~~~

instead of typing your name like a forger.

--Jerzy(t) 04:20, 2004 Jun 11 (UTC)

[edit] Removing from Cleanup

Original cleanup concerns appear addressed: Bush affiliation during Bush Presidency clear, and article largely void of POV. Removing this from cleanup and believe article is in good shape.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Editor (talk • contribs) 06:48, 11 June 2004 (UTC) & is restored to its natural chronological order by Jerzy•t 11:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)