Talk:Misha'al bint Fahd al Saud
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Instead of simply reverting, it's best to discuss the disagreement here (and not in edit summaries).
So was Misha'al murdered? Was Nick Berg murdered, or merely executed? Should we use the phase "extra-judicial killing"? – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 17:10, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
- Well, whether we like it or not, those who executed Misha'al are the legal authority, so it is by definition execution, regardless of whether or not it's right or humane...etc, whereas those who murdered Nick Berk are terrorists who are not even native of that country. This is not a point of view, these are facts. Al-Zarqawi is not even from Iraq, and he has no authority there, unlike the case here. -- Eagleamn 17:59, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
- This is incorrect. Misha'al was murdered without any legal process at all, so whatever position her grandfather had is irrelevant. It's not an execution, unless it's ordered by a court of law, and that's all there is to it.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.170.224.208 (talk • contribs).
Okay, so is it your view that if a legal authority kills someone, it by definition isn't a "murder", but is an "execution" instead? – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 18:21, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
- Just being a "legal authority" doesn't suffice. The person doing the killing must also be acting within the scope of that legal authority, and without any legal proceedings, that can not be the case. For example Saddam is being tried for murder, and the fact that he was the president of Iraq at the time has no bearing on it.
- At any rate, Misha'al's grandfather did not hold any kind of legal authority to act as judge, jury and executioner of his own family. He simply went unprosecuted because of his close relationship to the king.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.170.224.208 (talk • contribs).
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- Murder and execution are not mutually exclusive, a murder can be an execution and an execution can be a murder. See the articles on lynching and summary execution.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.170.224.208 (talk • contribs). I've added the NPOV tag, and for the time being will settle for the term "killed".—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.85.132.217 (talk • contribs).
To avoid the word “murder” would prejudice the article. The fact that the perpetrator was the “legal authority” is irrelevant. Even if due process was followed it was still a murder by the definition of the word “murder”. Otherwise, one could correctly say that 6 million criminals were lawfully executed by the legal authority for the crime of being Jewish.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.146.32.62 (talk • contribs).
The Holocaust is different from this in that while it was legal under Nazi Germany, the subsequent government of Germany condemned the killings. In this situtation, the person who ordered the "event" is a prince of the royal family. Since the royal family has absolute power and it was not condemnded by them, it is legal (unless it is condemned in the future) and should be classified as an execution. (Reahad 12:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC))
