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Contents 1 Cock -> Moby 2 wtf? 3 Journal Links 4 Clarification of his religious beliefs 5 Moby is defiantly not racist. 6 Note regarding song use 7 Born in Connecticut ? 8 Moby and The Story So Far 9 DVD releases 10 RFC: Moby quote 11 Moby attacked 12 The infobox is a band infobox? 13 Eminem 14 Jewish? 15 Remix.. 16 Re-write 17 Early Years - Voodoo Child, etc? 18 "Selling Out" 19 needs to be added to "Moby's songs used in other media" 20 Faith

[edit] Cock -> Moby

Somebody had replaced every single instance of 'Moby' with 'Cock' in the article. Additionally, some other changes were made (mostly homosexual jokes). I removed most of it. :)

[edit] wtf?

someone had added an album called "i want to eat your poopie"

im pretty sure this was fake, therefore i removed it

[edit] Journal Links

Moby recently revamped his website. The URLs to his journal entries have changed; therefore, the ones referenced in the article must be updated. Fetology 23:42, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification of his religious beliefs

I've heard him described as a "fundamentalist" "evangelical" and "radical". Does that mean that he is a young-earth creationist who believes the world is no more than 5,000-20,000 years old and believes the bible is entirely literally true or that he's merely devout in his religious beliefs? Thanks for clarifying! --Havermayer 22:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I doubt it means he believes the entire Bible is literally true, as there are parts that conflict with each other and he's made any number of posts taking some Christians to task for taking the Bible too literally (and inconsistently so--thinking that homosexuality is a sin but not eating shellfish). At any rate, if you use the google site:moby.com thing you could probably find what you're after. ... I started reading his weblog and, after a few months of that, got rather tired of it (and his patter). Koyaanis Qatsi 15:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Correction. In your opinion there are parts that contradict each other. In mine they dont.......

Lol @ ^ it's a good thing people like you keep their opinions to themselves and don't try and force their glaring fallacies upon other people...oh wait nevermind.

I think there are interesting things to be said here. He's a Christian, but he certainly doesn't follow the Christian Right. "The Christian Right is neither". Read his various essays from different albums, you'll get an interesting view. Particularly on his album 18, he talks about how after the Trade Center attacks, he realized the perils of fundamentalism and noted it in himself with his veganism and perhaps other things (not sure about his Christianity). He also he stopped being a Marxist.

[edit] Moby is defiantly not racist.

I have no idea what the motivation of the person who made those edits.

Moby Versus Berlin? Article? --Jingofetts 20:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC) Who is Berlin? --Jingofetts 20:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Is Moby racist? You decide! {{disputed}} --Jingofetts 20:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

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Somebody messed w/ his pic... Hillarious...

Is he really racist? I'm sure a few of his songs feature a black female artist as a backing singer.

Yes he has, MC Lyte (from Jam for the ladies off of 18) is very much a black female artist.

Removed "vegan non-denominational Christian." Maybe relevant, but certainly not in the first sentence. He's a well-known vegan and that could be mentioned later on. He is already metioned in the list of notable vegetarians. -GG

Restored. It's a big part of his identity, as you'll know if you read his journal. Koyaanis Qatsi

I moved it down. what the hell. Please don't remove information from the wikipedia; that's in bad form. Peace, or maybe I mean PLUR, Koyaanis Qatsi 05:25 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC)

What if that info were put back in the first sentence by saying that he "self identifies" as ... -- Zoe

That might solve it. I admit it's clumsy how I have it now. And I don't mean to endorse veganism or Christianity necessarily; I'm sorry if it looks that way. Anyway, I need to try to go back to bed; I've got to get up and leave in 3.5 hrs. I trust the article will work out.  :-) Koyaanis Qatsi 05:38 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC)

I stand corrected, I didn't think that Moby's religion was much discussed or well-known, but I guess it is. I still don't think it's top-line information though - he's primarily a musician, that's what he's known for. AFAIK he's less well-known for being vegan or Christian. I agree that it's clumsy as-is, but I think it's even more awkward at the top. --GG

Umm...the guy has an album out named Animal Rights - I'd say that's reason enough to conclude that he feels rather strongly about veganism. (I find that most of the good artits make their art because they have something to say, as opposed to just art for art's sake.) The subject's beliefs and convictions are certainly relevant information that belongs in a biographical article. I find it sad how much relevant info is getting deleted from articles lately because some folks don't get the difference between biased reporting and reporting a bias. Mkweise 06:14 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC)

I never said that his veganism isn't relevant - I think it is. I deleted it from the top, hoping someone would add it in more detail at the bottom (see the first item in this talk page); I've been told that this is bad form, so now I know. I deleted the Christian reference because I didn't think he was an outspoken Christian, but I was incorrect. I still think that he's more well-known for being a musician than for being vegan or Christian, so those facets don't deserve top-line mention. But, as we've seen, I've been wrong before :) so I'm willing to be overridden if people disagree. In any case, nothing ever got deleted because of anyone's views, or biases, or lack of knowledge about reporting. --GG

I agree that it doesn't belong in the first sentence, but deleting information from an article, as opposed to moving and/or rephrasing it, is something I think should should never be done carelessly. The last sentence in my paragraph above wasn't referring specifically to you but to a frustrating Wikipedia phenomenon that I've observed repeatedly.

When I first started using Wikipedia, I was fully convinced that one day it would make all other encyclopedias obsolete. Since I've gotten more involved and started following changes to a certain selection of articles more closely, my idealism has taken a serious hit. It's frustrating to realize that articles can and do on occasion change for the worse (become less informative,) even when everyone involved means well. Mkweise 06:53 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC)

Off topic, but: soon after I started using Wikipedia I realized it would never be a great encyclopedia, but I think it could become good enough - great in many areas, good in some, and not so great in some. Much better than not having it exist. I think it could some day become the basis for something great - a post-processing that didn't allow universal editing. GGano

[edit] Note regarding song use

I'm 90% sure "God Moving Over the Face of the Waters" has become CNN's official disaster bumper music. I started hearing it last year during Tsunami stories and heard it almost constantly during Katrina and Rita. Keep your ears open. Moby is ubiquitous.

I remember reading somewhere that Moby has an album from which every song has been licensed to be used on commercials, but I cannot remember the name of the album. Can anyone help me out here? -- Jalabi99 23:34, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

it's either 18 or play, i forget which.

[edit] Born in Connecticut ?

The other wikipedias say he is born in New York. 62.94.51.186 09:26, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

He was definately born in NYC and moved to Connecticut at a young age. He has said this numerous times in his journal and in interviews. He now lives in the Village in NYC. Elixer25 07:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Everything I've ever seen says Darien, Connecticut. AMG, for one source, seems to think so. He does live in NYC now, and has for quite some time, but wasn't apparently born there. — Wwagner 19:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moby and The Story So Far

From doing some looking (at AMG and discogs.com), it appears that Moby (album) (which I just created) and The Story So Far are not actually the same album. Looks like TSSF was the Euro release. The two records are published by different companies, and the tracklistings are different. Heck, even the UK and German releases of TSSF carry different tracklistings from each other. Come on, record companies, let's all get on the same page! — Wwagner 19:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DVD releases

I'd like to add the MobyPlay: The DVD, a collection of videos from Play and some other stuff, but I'm not sure where it ought to go in the discography. The albums section? A new DVDs section? Has he released other DVDs? Comments, please! — Wwagner 16:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFC: Moby quote

• • (On convincing people not to vote for George W. Bush in 2004) "For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion. Then you go to an anti-immigration website chat room and ask, 'What's all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?'"[1]

A single editor persists in removing this quote as without a "source," even though it was published in an interview with Moby, Moby hasn't denied it, and there's no evidence he hasn't said it. This needs to be restored. -- FRCP11 12:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, the NYDN is certainly in that gray area between tabloid and respectable newspaper, but in this case I would say keep the quote. At least it's from the Front Page of the NYDN and not from the Daily Dish section. Merzbow 04:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Moby writes about politics on his blog several times a week. If we are to include every little phrase that he mentions politics this section would be huge.--8bitJake 17:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The particular reason for your revert of this quote was not because there would be too many quotes, but because you criticized the source. Do you or do you not dispute the source any longer? If not, then let's discuss the optimal number of political quotes to include. Personally, I do not think one more would be 'too many'. - Merzbow 22:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Both reasons. I don’t think a New York tabloid rag is really the best source or information for an encyclopedia biography. The other reason is that Moby is a very involved political activist and we are going to include political quotes we should include a wide swatch of quotes not just one that the readers of Rightwingnews.com want to focus on. This article is not Wikiquote.--8bitJake 22:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

There is nothing preventing you from adding additional quotes that express different sentiments. Just because there 'should' be more info from one perspective does not grant the right to remove well-sourced info from other perspectives. And I'm going to argue heavily now that the NYDN is in fact a reliable source. From New York Daily News:

"The newspaper, which has won 10 Pulitzer Prizes, was founded by Joseph Medill Patterson, a member of the family that published the Chicago Tribune, and from its founding until 1991 was owned by the Tribune." - Merzbow 22:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

"TOP COP ADMITS HANKY PANKY" "FORD TO CITY: DROP DEAD" Come on it is still a pulp tabloid.--8bitJake 23:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It's clearly reliable enough as a source for a quote from an interview with a rock star (700k readers, 10+ Pulitzers), and your argument that adding a 4th quote to a tiny section that has just 3 now doesn't really hold water. I'm adding it back. - Merzbow 07:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm deleting all the political quotes. My reason for deleting the first two is that they don't tell us much about Moby. My reason for deleting the second two is that they are not a neutral point of view. The quotes themselves are neutral (I think it is fair to point out that Moby spoke out against George W Bush), but I think someone has used these quotes specifically so that they can then link to two politically charged articles. I've also deleted the Virgin Galactic sentences. I can't believe that Moby, given his concern for the environment, would pay to fly to space. The source is a web page that anyone can edit, so is unreliable. (Chorleypie 17:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC))

He doesn´t belong to the category "Christian Musicians", because this category it´s ONLY for musicians who do christian music, as you can read there.

Just wondering. In the Gobliiins game titles someone named "Moby" is mentioned (music & sound effects). Is it this Moby or somebody else?

[edit] Moby attacked

IIRC, Moby was physically assaulted outside of a nightclub last year or so. I couldn't find anything about this in the article, but it may be a valuable inclusion since it made national headlines. Czj 05:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The infobox is a band infobox?

Moby isn't a band, why the artice uses a band infobox?
In my opinion, the infobox template should be replaced with one for musical artists. I don't do this myself just because I don't know much about the artist, plus I'm afraid to mess everything up. Litis 13:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Since he is the only member in his project, than it's ok to put a band infobox in there. Human historian 21:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Someone anonymous changed "ambient" to "math rock". I've reverted it. Ambient definitely needs mentioning; I'm not certain that he doesn't do math rock, but the rock songs I know (What Love, Bodyrock and those on Animal Rights) don't fit the description. (Chorleypie 18:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Eminem

Has this page ever featured a section on rapper Eminem's attacks on Moby? Many fans of pop culture have a limited knowledge of Moby, relegated essentially to "Southside" and "that guy who got called a fag by eminem".

Bah, that's just Eminem talking back to one of many people that criticized him for anything. My opinion is that it's not particularly relevant.

[edit] Jewish?

I know that Moby isn't a RELIGIOUS Jew, but he still could be an ethnic Jew. Does anyone know his ancestry? He seems, looks, and acts Jewish to me, and was born in NYC to boot. So, I only have to ask: is Moby a Jew? --64.12.116.70 15:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Uh, what? His name is "Richard Melville Hall", which is essentially as WASPish as a name can be; he has blue eyes (not that that means much); and he is a practising Christian. What exactly is it about him that "seems, looks, and acts Jewish"? I'm not seeing it. --Saforrest 00:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Remix..

Moby remixed Sophie Ellis-Bextor's song "Is it any Wonder". As far as I know his remix has yet to be released, though it certainly has leaked (I have it). Is this worth noting? I think it would have been done around 2001ish. This was actually a Production job, his version didn't make the album though. (read my lips)

[edit] Re-write

What's all this talk about racism and him being a Jew?? Also he is most DEFINATELY not a fundamentalist Christian. I think most of the article needs a re-write as it is poorly written and more emphasis needs to be placed on his left-wing political beliefs as these are very near and dear to him. Much more detail is needed on each of his main albums from Play onwards. I think the political quotes also need to go as these are confusing and pointless... Feedback? Elixer25 07:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

You're right, this article could be improved. How about something on his education, or his extensive essays on his album sleeve notes? I think these essays reflect his political views better than those quotes. And how about replacing the massive list of "Moby's songs used in other media" with just three or four examples of films and perhaps an advert or two that use his records? As for his religion, I have a copy of an interview he gave around 1993 where he said his main love is Jesus Christ; but I half-recall a later essay where he muses about what fundamentalism actually means Chorleypie 12:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The best thing about Moby is there is years of political blogs in his journal for us to use at our disposal for sources... Chorleypie I believe the fundamentalism essay is in the Play notes? He also touches on this in the 18 notes as well. Anyway I think that the separation of dates in Moby's career should go and be replaced with album subheadings followed by the text. Is there also a better picture of him!? Elixer25 07:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Elixer - but I don't have Play or 18! Happy for you to add information from them. I like your idea of album subheadings. I think the picture is good though! I've done quite a bit of work today, adding "Essays", moving some info to "Moby's songs used in other media" and "Innovation" (although I can think of lots more I'd like to do). I've deleted (i) some information that is available on other Wikipedia pages like Laura Dawn, Live Here Now and New York, New York, (ii) a broken Stamford Advocate link which I've replaced with a link to Moby's own site, and (iii) "A 2005 flash animation of the same name on Newgrounds by Kevin Landry" from the Porcelain list in "...other media". Newgrounds appears to be a site where individuals can put their own flash animations and it doesn't mention Kevin Landry. My guess it is his private work which hasn't got widespread circulation. (Chorleypie 15:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC))

More tidying up: I've deleted "See also". Some links were duplicates of those earlier in the article, and the others tell us nothing extra about Moby. I've also deleted the "External Links" to music. I don't know how many music databases there are, but I fear only showing links to three of them implies endorsement of those three. (Chorleypie 19:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Early Years - Voodoo Child, etc?

He had these other aliases early on. There's no mention of these. I've seen a CD of his, attributed to "Moby/Voodoo Child", and the artist info block on the top of this article lists a bunch more that I've not even heard of. It would be a nice bit of information to know when he used those and what for.

Voodoo Child is mentioned, on the fifth line. I remember getting a Mute mailing list flyer in the mid-90s advertising the Voodoo Child album 'The End of Everything', where Moby explained his reasons for using this pseudonym, but I've lost it. I won't put it on the main site because I can't remember what it said, but I'm pretty sure it was something like "saves me having to worry about things like ... album sales .... It's one of my children and I love it dearly." The album sleeve notes don't mention this; their main feature is one of his shorter essays on not eating animals. (Chorleypie 22:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC))

Please remove Gayfag from Also Known As.

[edit] "Selling Out"

Mainstream reviewers have raved about his talents on the 1999 album Play, though some early fans were let down.

My personal feeling is that accusations of "selling out," which the "early fans" here are likely to have used instead, are generally irrelevant: the complaints of people who found something obscure, liked it, then became nonplussed that the obscure thing they'd found to like had become popular, and so their imagined coolness had been diminished as a result. (imagined coolness being a function of scornfulness and antisocial attitudes). I've seen this happen with fans of R.E.M. (Out of Time), Metallica (The black album, then again with Napster), and even South Park (what could Matt Stone and Trey Parker possibly have sold out? Has there been a more iconoclastic show on TV?) Bob Dylan, of course, "Sold Out" when he plugged in a guitar--that dastardly fellow, so inconsiderate to all those people who moved cashed out their Paul Anka stock to buy into a Zimmerman portfolio.

My favorite story about "selling out" is about The Beatles--the ubiquitous unnamed "early fans" in some article released in 1965 were cited as saying that with Help!, The Beatles had Sold Out. Slaves to the system, those boys, with not a whit of creativity, and of course 1965 was the year they compromised their artistic integrity and were forgotten. Some musicologists still remember them as a historical footnote, mostly as an influence on The Guess Who. Koyaanis Qatsi 20:24, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

lol. let me wipe up the irony that drips from my monitor... akaDruid 12:22, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

i really disagree and don't see Moby's change in style as at all comparable to these other bands, who just got big and "sold out" in the more typical sense. while i doubt any of his current fans would remember this, back in the day Moby was the corny and disputable but de-facto super-star of the early-mid nineties underground US techno-rave scene. in fact, one could say he had quite a hand in getting that movement going, what with starting one of the first record labels therein and putting out many releases under different names, creating the illusion of a much bigger and more active scene already in place to kind of jump-start things, much as Psychic TV did for the acid house scene in the late eighties in the UK. he'd often experiment with non-techno, but it was all pretty awefull. then, he gets hugely popular in the mainstream now with some different-sounding stuff that doesn't completely suck, gets all over MTV, and before you know it he's completely different and has totally left his techno-electronics in the dust. my problem with that isn't that he got popular, but that the second he did he ditches his home scene. it's like the goth who starts going to punk shows, and the next thing you know they're punk as #uck, and always have been! after all the support, to just bail on your scene like that, especially when they really needed you, is pretty dern lame. and i would much rather he kept making some really top-notch techno music to some spotty to horrendous pop crap instead. and have you seen him live lately? what a joke! and Moby should never, EVER be allowed to sing!!! someone REALLY should have stopped that a LONG time ago!( also, this page is really sloppy and direly needs the attention of someone better versed in this earlier era. i find it pretty disgusting that his entire illustrious techno career gets little more mention than some punk bands he played with as a kid, and the tiniest fraction of the volumes on his new life. i don't know what to expect though, as pretty much all of his old fans gave up on him many years ago. -- Elgaroo 19:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Elgaroo, please can you stick to the talk page guidelines? (Chorleypie 15:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] needs to be added to "Moby's songs used in other media"

his song Beautiful from Hotel was in the movie The Devil Wears Prada, so can someone please add it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.128.254.35 (talk) 22:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Faith

I have deleted the discussion of Moby's faith in the magazine "Campus Life" in agreement with High on a Tree and disagreement with IzaakdeM. I think Wikipedia should list Moby's comments on his faith but not other people's comments. (Chorleypie 10:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC))