Talk:Neve

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A copy of what I posted on User talk:DavidLenehan - in case he isn't aware of that page Hello David,

You appear to be new to Wikipedia, so I'll gently point out the errors of your ways.

Firstly, you have done a couple of things which are considered highly antisocial: Removing alterative definitions and transwiki links in your first edit, and removing the advert and cleanup templates. Note that repeated reversions will lead to your being blocked. The article has been identified as needing work, and if you wish to contest that you need to follow the procedures outlined in the templates.

However, it is very clear that the article as it currently stands does violate the cornerstone principles of Wikipedia - Neutral Point of View and WP:Verifiability. I'm not an admin, so I don't have a load of help links at my fingertips, but I suggest that you read a range of the Wikipedia policy and support articles.

Also, when adding wikilinks, you need to link appropriately - always visit the link when you are at the preview stage. For example, you linked 1073, which goes to an article on the year 1073 AD, or producers which redirected to producer which goes to a disambiguation page linking to lots of articles, one of which was Record producer - probably the article you intended.

You appear to have been personally involved with Neve. It is recommended that individuals do not contribute to articles on themselves nor people with a direct interest in companies or organisations edit articles about the said companies, because it is virtually impossible to maintain an unbiased viewpoint. (There is of course a exception of correcting errors of fact).

The key thing is not to think that anyone is "ganging up" on you. We are all here to help, and the tagging with cleanup and advert templates will bring the article to the attention of experienced editors who want to help you create a good article. dramatic 06:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not the person who wrote this article. I do agree it needs to be cleanedup, however the information isn't fundamentally flawed. I can't give you academic sources, but almost every single recording magazine mentions neve consoles as legendary, they are highly sought after, and one of a list of very few companies that are used by large recording facilities. The problem with wikipedia is much of music industy, does not provide pencil and paper sources, of the nature wikipedia is looking for. As the field is very hands on. There is some, but a lot of hand down by word of mouth among people who are interested. If needed there can be a very long list of commercial studios that use Neve consoles,and magazine citations that will afirm the fact neves are legendary, but you won't find one clear source.

Hi

Re the above final sentence...

I worked at the Neve group of companies from October 1971 to December 1985 and have substantial documentation to back up the corrections made to this page. It does not read like an advertisement in my opinion but rather an accurate record of the development of a famous company. Much of the information I have posted is not available on any other web page and demonstrates the depth of my knowledge of the company. I could write lots more but it would conflict with a book I'm writing.

I have added bold type to any major change to the Neve history and added links to other Wikipedia pages.

Geoff Tanner (Head of the Electrical Drawing Office, Custom Design Engineer in the Sales Department, Special Orders Manager, Special Products Manager and Spares Orders Manager... the last three positions held concurrently!) Geoff T 04:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Written like an advertisement

Just my opinion but I feel the addition of current products and client list has turned this history based entry into a quazi-advertisement. Geoff T 01:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, although mentioning a few prominent users/clients wouldn't be a bad idea. What I would really like to see would be a list of important recordings using Neve equipment, examples of the "Neve sound". I would also be interested in seeing a list of Neve products that are considered "classics" that are sought after by those in the know. Steve carlson 03:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and wacked the client list and current product sections. Steve carlson 03:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)