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How on earth does someone have this extent of knowledge on the topic of a fictional TV character?!

Not really that hard, considering the info is given in the episode.--Kross 01:16, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

"Goren and Eames raided Wallace's house, but she refused to go without a fight, and was apparently killed along with her lover when Eames opened fire on them in self defense." That's not right. Wallance arranged to meet her accomplice at a pier warehouse. When Wallace discovered that her accomplice was bugged, she crushed her trachea and threw her through a window into the river. A quart of Wallace's blood was at the scene, but no body.

You're correct, I fixed it.

Another correction: Eames didn't shoot Nicole in the West Coast version; Goren did.

Did she ever get prosecuted/serve time for the murder tied to her first appearance? If not, why wasn't she held on to in the second episode? David Iwancio 03:20, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

That depends on what coast you watched that episode from, two versions of the episode were shown. The east coast version is where she met at the pier, the west coast version is where she was shot dead.

The two different episodes concerned her third appearance, not her first appearance. Nicole was prosecuted for her murders in her first and second appearances (off screen) but, she was acquitted (off screen as well), most likey due her her then husband's money and connections. This inference is referenced in the non-Nicole episode "Pas de Deux".

This is from Mseames

Wallace was acquitted of the murders from her first two appearances (Anti-thesis and A Person of Interest), most likey due to her wealthy husband at the time, Gavin Haynes, who bought her innocence. This was implied in a non-Nicole episode "Pas de Deux".

There are a few errors I also corrected. It was not said that Nicole was married to her daughters father, and she never murdered a rich husband. The only husband that we know Nicole has had was to Gavin Haynes in 2003 and that marriage ended in divorce in 2004. The person murdered in "A Person of Interest" was a young army nurse. Nicole murdered her to steal the Anthrax that was used to set up Dan Croydon, the second person Nicole murdered in "A Person of Interest". I also added the fact that Nicole had been inprisoned in Thailand for several years where she and her then boyfriend had murdered 9 men. This is also how Nicole learned to speak "low class" Thai.

Another correction from me. Nicole did not attempt to kill Gavin Haynes in "A Person of Interest". In fact, this is the episode where we learn Nicole married Gavin. In Nicole's next appearance in "Great Barrier, Gavin and Nicole are now divorced, and this is the episode where Nicole uses Ella to try to kill Gavin but did not succeed with the murder. Mseames

[edit] Speculation vs. Reality and Other

I think the third paragraph is all based on Goren's speculation and shouldn't be presented as fact. We don't actually know if she was molested by her father or if she resented her mother: those are all Gorem's speculations on her motives and haven't actually been confirmed (though I admit they are likely).

Also "the brains behind a diamond smuggling ring" is being overly generous. Neither Nicole nor Ella were smuggling anything: they were stealing. I don't think there was any mention of smuggling those diamonds.

Vjmurphy 17:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Great info about a great character. Just a couple things...

Fremont presents himself as British, but we're told in Slither that he's actually French. He spent some time in Hong Kong, which is what Goren used to deduce that he(Fremont) speaks Mandarin Chinese with a Thai accent, but this is strange because while Mandarin is the official national language of China, Cantonese is the primary language in Hong Kong.

ez 18:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Various Storyline Corrections

Slither Episode

Benard had came to New York about 4 years ago, around the same time Nicole arrived. YThus, Benard had not "recently" arrived". Nor was there any indication that Benard had contact with Nicole nor had tried to seek her out in New York. Goren suggested Both might not have known the other was even there. The information about "Slither" needs much correction!

Wallaces' whereabouts and life before arriving in New York City

It was not said that Nicole recieved a lesser sentence for testifying against Fremont, deported back to Australia. It was not said either that Wallace supported herself as a prosititute. This is pure assumption. We do not know Wallace's whereabouts or her activities until 1996, when Goren learned she had been in Bendigo, Australia and 1997, when she gave birth to her daughter, again in Australia. Wallace's whereabouts are not specified again until her arrival in New York in 2002, though I think she was in England shortly before she arrived in New York City. The earliest wherabouts of Wallace is from 1985 to 1994, where she was imprisoned in Thailand for nine years.

Elizabeth Hitchens

I believe Elizabeth Hitchens was an English citizen who worked in Australia and Wallace murdered and assumed Hitchens' identity in England, shortly before Wallace arrived in New York City.

Great Barrier and Grow Episodes

Goren and Eames never found anything to convict Wallace of in Great Barrier. They attempted to use a wired Ella to connect her to the crimes but instead Wallace killed Ella and fled once again. Rather, Wallace was indicted for Ella's murder in "Grow" but never faced trial as she fled the police a fourth time.

A Person of Interest Episode"

And for the nth time, Wallace did not attempt to kill Haynes in A Person of Interest!!

A Person of Interest Episode"

"She then murdered a young former Air Force nurse so she could steal a vial of anthrax from her to use in the set up of Dr. Dan Croydon." Perhaps this should be changed to just Dan Croydon. Much was made of his NOT earning a PhD in the episode.

Sheldon Ranz comments:

 There's a huge amount of Goren's speculation accepted as fact about Hitchens/Wallace over here.  We really don't know who murdered that 'young former Air Force nurse' or who managed to get Croydon hung.  Croydon is a tall, strong man - how could petite Hitchens/Wallace manage that feat?

  She has denied all of these killings (except for allowing her daughter to drown at sea).  Given that she was cleared of the killings and other mayhem perpetrated by her drug-addicted fiancee in "Grow", perhaps her other denials merit currency.

  For starters, Goren mentions in "Grow" that she has an attraction to serial killers.  Since she married Gavin Haynes, what does that say about him?  It's bizarre that Goren and Eames never suspected him of any wrongdoing.  Haynes struck me as too smooth to be just some innocent passersby in Hitchens/Wallace's life, as if anyone could be!

Yes, we do know who murdered the nurse and Croydon. Nicole murdered the nurse and to steal the anthrax used to set up Croydon, who she then killed and made look like a suicide to smear Goren. Nicole was tried for their murders and those ftom "Anti-Thesis" and was only acquitted due to then husband's buying her acquittal. Goren told us how Nicole killed Croydon - she got him intoxicated and then strung him up. It's not impossible for a woman to kill a man - Nicole has killed several men.

Nicole was not trying to kill the child in "Grow" but, she did admit to killing the child's uncle. Nicole married Haynes years after her first murders - she also murdered the real Elizabeth Hitchens in Australia and murdered men in Thailand with Bernard, which she was convicted and imprisoned in Thailand for - and also tried to kill Gavin (in Great Barrier) when he was no longer of use to her. Nicole only married Gavin to secure USA citizenship. "Slither" was dedicated to Nicole's "killer skills". Bernard bragged about teaching Nicole how to kill and fawned over Nicole's murderous abilities.

Nicole did not allow her small daughter to simply "drown at sea" - the child's neck was forcibly broken according to coronor's reports. There is no doubt hat Nicole is guilty of all the murders she is said to have committed. Nicole is not guilty based on Gorens' speculations, Nicole is guilty because all of the evidence clearly points to her. Criminal Intent has plainly and clearly laid out in each Nicole episode how and why Nicole is guilty of her numerous murders.

[edit] Nicole Wallace Not Modeled On Chantal

The recurrent character of "Nicole Wallace" in the Law & Order episodes is most likely not based on Charles Sobhraj's wife Chantal, who returned to Paris with her daughters early in their marriage, but rather on one of his lovers, the French-Canadian Marie-Andree Leclerc who is thought to have committed several of Sobhraj's crimes with him. Leclerc is the one who was arrested with Sobhraj and who spent several years in a Thai jail (like Nicole on L&O) before being granted an early leave due to the fact that she had developed ovarian cancer. Unlike Nicole, Marie returned to Canada after her release and died of her illness within a year or two following that time.

Also, the Law & Order character Bernard Fremont, Nicole Wallace's former mentor, lover and instructor in the art of poisons, confidence games and evil of every kind (whom she later kills during the episode where he appears) is almost certainly based upon Charles Sobhraj himself.