Talk:Nissan S30

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Contents 1 Change name to Datsun 240Z 2 Yutaka Katayama to be given his own entry 2.1 Mr. K 3 240ZG 4 Incorrect 260z horsepower 5 BRE Racing Team 6 Merge proposal

[edit] Change name to Datsun 240Z

I would like the title to be changed to Datsun 240Z as this is the original name. Calling them Nissan 240Z are for idiotic people who are ashamed to be associated with the Datsun name WilliRennen 14.07 31 January 2006 (UFC)

-I second this, the title of the article should be made 'Datsun 240z', Nissan 240z can be made a redirect to keep everything tidy. Also I might note that I think the articles on other Datsun models have the same problem, and they need to be fixed aswell. --Silver86 07:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree. There never was a Nissan 240Z, it was a Datsun.--Mikebrand 21:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

After doing research for the 240ZG section, I have changed my mind about the article title. Nissan 240Z is accurate. While the vehicle was released in the US under the Datsun name, in Japan (where it was made) and in other markets, it was known as a Nissan.--Mikebrand 17:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yutaka Katayama to be given his own entry

As he was in fact the head of Nissan North America at the time. I would also like Yutaka San to be given his own entry and be broken off from this 240Z link as it does not deal with the man himself.

WilliRennen 31 January 2006 14.12(UFC)

[edit] Mr. K

I have started to create a Mr. K page at the Z wiki [aboutz.net]. Please check that out and contribute as you see fit.

Thank you.

Russ T 23 May 2006 18:11

[edit] 240ZG

I believe the addition of the "Confusion" paragraph about the 240ZG to be fundamentally inaccurate - The ZG was more than just a 240Z with displaced mirrors, it had a whole new nose! and who exactly confuses the two?? to consider it as a variant of the 240Z rather than a completely different model is a valid point of view.

I moved the 240ZG to its own section and condensed the existing wordiig (without changing the meaning), but I am not in a position to list out all the differences between the two.--Mikebrand 22:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I did a bit of research and came up with a description that I am fairly confident is accurate (see article), but I am not sure it is complete. Do anyone know if the differences between the 240Z and 240ZG were purely related to the body? Or were there mechanical differences? --Mikebrand 17:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect 260z horsepower

This wikipedia article states that the 260z is not desirable because of it's lower HP rating of 140hp. The inside of the engine bay on a 260z shows that it has a Max HP of 162 at 5600 RPMs. What is the reason for this inconsistency?

A: During the production of the Datsun S30 series, nissan switched from GROSS HP (ie HP before accessories including alternator, etc) to SAE NET HP. This article is somewhat innacurate with its HP figures in that it is comparing the 240Zs 151 GROSS HP with the later 260Z and 280Z's SAE HP ratings. This article is comparing apples to oranges and it should be corrected. I don't have the actual numbers in front of me right now, but someone who does have them should chime in and correct the article.

As a direct answer to your question, I have no idea where this HP figure came from. There were 2 generations of the 260Z (the late 1973/early 1974 and the later 1974 260Zs), noticeable by the bumpers among other things. Unsure completely, but maybe the newer 260Zs had gross and the later had net listed?

[edit] BRE Racing Team

The following was posted at the bottom of the article, but clearly belongs on the Talk page. I do not vouche for its accuracy and am merely moving it here. --Mikebrand 18:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The article above says Bob Bondurant ran the BRE Racing Team including the 240Zs piloted by John Morton. Check Bondurant's wikipedia article and site http://www.bondurant.com/about/bobbondurant.php to see that is not confirmed. BRE was Brock Racing Enterprises http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/BRE.htm started and run by Pete Brock. See also http://zhome.com/Racing/Racing.htm It seems Bondurant used some Datsuns for a while in his school, http://www.classicdatsun.com/zz/TheBondurant240Z.htm and might have collaborated in some ways with BRE, but does not seem to have been the driving force behind BRE's Datsun racing campaigns.

[edit] Merge proposal

I am proposing to merge this (240Z), 260Z and the 280Z page into one called Nissan S30 as they are universally known as the S30

I support the proposed change. Although many owners may be surprised to learn that their car is really an S30, it would be more accurate (especially for the 260 and 280 versions). Technically, rather than a merger, would this be just a renaming and expansion since the S30 page does not currently exist? --Mikebrand 19:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

This discussion has now being mentioned at the WikiProject Automobiles, so far 3 people including myself agree, 1 said they should be split into 3 and nobody is against it so far. So the move is going to take place at the end of the year Willirennen (talk • contribs) 03:11, 16 December 2006 (utc)

Support, Just so long as the redirects still work I'm fine with it. It is pretty confusing typing in Nissan 260Z and coming to an article titled Nissan 240Z. ren0^talk 22:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)