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Contents 1 POV 2 F-5E Tiger II in used today 3 T-38 and F-5 ineage 4 "Only plane designated as it's own replacement" 5 Real F-5 or a Model? 6 Requested move 7 MiG 28 8 List of countries 9 Philippines as first SE Asian country with supersonic jets?

[edit] POV

Lines like "The U.S. Army expressed interest in it for ground support, but the U.S. Air Force was not going to let the Army operate fighters, nor would the Air Force fly them for the Army. The F-5 was just one more good design that fell to bureaucracy and inter-service rivalry" seem a little POV to me... Nrbelex ^(talk) 16:45, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The YF-17 Cobra is a derivative of the F-5? I'd appreciate a source for that info. --Mmx1 01:54, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] F-5E Tiger II in used today

http://www.yuma.usmc.mil/tenantunits/vmft401/default.htm The "Snipers" of VMFT-401 are mostly Marine Corps Reserve pilots serving in Active Reserve or weekend drill status, currently flying the F-5E Tiger II aircraft.

[edit] T-38 and F-5 ineage

While the T-38 and F-5 both had their genesis in the N-156 project, they were siblings - the T-38 was not "a trainer version of the F-5". That distinction goes to the F-5B and F-5F versions of the fighter. While sharing aerodynamic configuration and many systems with the F-5, the T-38 had different wing construction and many differences "under the skin". Hatcat 16:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Only plane designated as it's own replacement"

I'm not sure if the Harrier II is the Harrier II because it's the second plane in US Service (and incidentally, this part of the article doesn't specify that the plane was the only plane in US service to replace itself either) to use the name "Harrier" but rather because of the British naming convention of giving later variants of the same plane a number suffix for the name (ie: Spitfire, Spitfire II, Spitfire III, they even did the same with American planes like the P-40 Tomahawk and the P-51 Mustang). It sounds like this time we just borrowed the British name for the plane since, well, they named it. While this doesn't have anything to do with the F5, it was in this article.--Raguleader 15:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

While variants of British WWII aircraft are sometimes styled Spitfire I, Spitfire II, and Spitfire III, the official designations are Spitfire Mk I, Spitfire Mk II, and Spitfire Mk III. Later in the war, and certianly post-war, roles were added (i.e. Spitfire F. Mk XVIII, or later just F.XVIII.) Roman numerals were dropped post-war (Meteor F.4).

The AV-8B Harrier II is a wholly different aircraft from the AV-8A Harrier, despite sharing the same designation and basic design. The Harrier II is a much more capable aircraft, and replaced both the AV-8A Harrier and the A-4M Skyhawk II, The A-4M itself had replaced the A-4F Skyhawk, of which it was an upgraded version rather than a new design.

The British did name the Harrier, that is true, and the US did borrow the name. But as far as I know, the US named the AV-8B the Harrier II first. The British do not use the "II", calling their versions the Harrier GR5/GR7/GR9, though it is the same basic airframe.

Whether that qualifies the Harrier II as the only plane designated as its own replacement, I think the C-2A Greyhound has a stronger case for that. It was ordered in the late 60's to replace the C-1 Trader as a COD aircraft. However, some C-1s remained in service until the 80's. At that time, the Navy ordered an updated version of the C-2A to replace the C-1 and the aging C-1A. In a stroke of bureaucratic brilliance, the new version was designated the C-2A! Thus the C-2A actually did replace itself.

-- BillCJ 07:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real F-5 or a Model?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vnf-5c-23tw-522fs--bh-1971.jpg

^Is this photo really a VNAF F-5 Freedom Fighter? It looks like a professionally built plastic model kit of an F-5 like the ones posted on Scale Model magazine. If it is, it’s pretty good. I’ve seen real pictures of F-5s and C-130s in an abandoned VNAF airfield be raided by North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam in 1975. --James 00:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I can't say for sure whether that plane is real, but as an amateur photographer I can tell you that the technique exists for taking a picture of a full-sized object and adjusting the focus and depth of field to make it look like a toy. If that was done here, then someone also used a 'soft' effect on it. The light and shadows to me look like a full-size object, but as I said it's hard to tell from that picture. Stacy McMahon 14:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

IMHO, it's real, just taken with a camera with a dirty lens. There's a number of details that I can pick out that are almost impossible for even a master model maker to duplicate. Akradecki 18:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

F-5 Freedom Fighter → Northrop F-5 — F-5A/B Freedom Fighter is the name of only one type of F-5. Far more F-5E/F Tiger IIs were produced. To comform to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (aircraft) guidelines for US aircraft with multiple names - Manufacturer, number) Will need to be moved by an administrator. - BillCJ 23:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

No contest. Will request an Uncontroversial move. - BillCJ 02:07, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MiG 28

The fictional MiG 28s in the movie Top Gun were portrayed using F-5s. Also in the film they make reference to using A-4s and F-5s as MiG sims but they only show the A-4s.

Are we sure the planes used for the film were F-5's and not T-38's? --JJLatWiki 17:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of countries

The list of countries using the F5 far exceeds the displayed. The US fairly dumped lots of F5 new and second hand in all of their allies and for example Portugal had more than a few.

[edit] Philippines as first SE Asian country with supersonic jets?

Indonesia obtained Mig-21s several years before this, and I've modified the statement in the article accordingly.