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The Manchu form is misspelled; there should be a back <h> or a back <g> after the <r> (both forms are attested). -Anon.

I think this page needs a fair amount of work still.

I appreciate the efforts others have made, but it is awfully brief an entry for such an important person. I noticed that such people as FDR have practically a book written about them, with their minor personal flaws mentioned.

To describe, in brief, what I see the problems of this page to be:

1. poor description of the campaigns leading up to his establishment of the Late Jin. 2. lack of understanding of his interaction with Joseon Dynasty Korea 3. a weak handle on the sources. I don't think any serious historian would rely that heavily on works such as the Manzhou Shilu. For some reason, the Veritable Records of the Joseon Dynasty are not mentioned, nor are the Old Manchu Archives.

4. General lack of detail and organization.

Also, previously there was an eroneous link to a Mongol called Monke. I will try to establish an entry for Monke Timur to provide an accurate link.

Nitangae, July 1, 2005

It's true, the image of the Manchu script listed says "Nuraci", it should be Nurgaci or Nurhaci.

Is it meaningful to say that the Aisin Gioro clan originated in present day North Korea? According to legend (and legend only, as far as I know) the Aisin Gioro clan originated in the Long White Mountains (Chin. Chang-bai-shan, Ma. golmin shanggiyan alin), which are at the very north end of North Korea. I believe all that is known historically, however, is that the Aisin Gioro clan came from the vicinity of Jianzhou.

Is it accurate to say that the former Jurchen empire was formed by former citizens of Koguryo? Koguryo ended in 668, the former Jurchen empire was founded in 1115 by a Jurchen ruler named Aguda.

Respectfully, bdct, Jan 15, 2005.

13 suits of armor? for himself? Perhaps you could clarify. 17 Jan. 2006

yea, so i was watching the tv show... when Nurhaci becomes governor (chieftan?) of Jianzhou, his family (who he only met after a long time when they were dying) had been ambushed by Nikaiwanlai, and the Jianzhou army wiped out, save 13 suits or armor left in the city. assumedly, these armor were worn by his 13 top generals and elite soldiers (whoever they would be).

yea, and i'll go add a redirect to here from Nuerhachi. no wait i dont know how to do that 1698 2006 March 6 07:33 Zulu

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I have tried to make this a bit clearer and reorganize it. I hope I did not introduce any errors. Please check my edits.--Filll 18:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

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