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I don't think this is NPOV. Certainly all of those claim to be orthodox, but also that the others are heterodox. There is not general agreement on which churches are orthodox. The Anglican churches also consider themselves orthodox, for example. Michael Hardy 00:28 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I'd say ditch this article entirely. If "Orthodox" is used here in the sense of "correct" or "traditional," then it's far too vague for an article. Better stick with the agreed-upon divisions, and separate articles on them: Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholic Church, etc. --Delirium 00:36 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I don't doubt Anglicans believe they're doing as God wishes, but I would be surprised if church leaders use the word "orthodox" to describe their church in terms of the larger history of Christianity. I don't know if they were Anglicans, which of course makes all the difference, but I'm sure I've heard people describe the Anglican church as protestant, of all things. Can you cite any text in which an Anglican leader calls the church "orthodox" in an appropriate sense? While I admit that the connotations of "orthodox" are problematic, I think "Orthodox Christianity" is a technical term that people use, and not an offensive one like "nigger." In the absence of evidence that other Christian sects are vying explicitly for the designation "orthodox" (i.e. as opposed to vying simply to be regarded as the most Christian, as fundamentalists do) I don't think there's any NPOV violation in defining the term as the article does now. I'm certainly open to evidence though. 168... 01:27 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Population?

Okay. Really, what is the population of Orthodox Christianity, and what are the sources for those? Robotbeat 09:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tidying up Eastern Christian entries

Please see my proposal on the discussian page of Eastern Christianity. This may be a way of dealing with some of the problems behind the ambiguity of the word orthodox.

Dorotheus 10:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] merge proposal

Dorotheus, I changed your merge proposal. I hope you don't mind. Discuss it at Talk:Eastern Chrisitanity --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• The content from this page was a duplication of Eastern Christianity, so I have merged it into that page and made Orthodox Christianity a disambiguation page, per the proposal. Chonak 14:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] addition by 72.66.231.187: "Ukrainian Reformatory Orthodox Church"

User 72.66.231.187 added this reference on 2006-09-17 under "See also", but there is no article under that name; therefore I shall remove it. Chonak 02:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

This page was marked for cleanup per MoS:DAB. I deleted sublinks that were already listed as mainlinks, and moved some of them up from the "See also" section. I also deleted the descriptions from the "See also" section, but provide them here if someone thinks those links (with descriptions) should be listed under the main "may refer to":

• Old Believers, a movement containing a large number of Eastern Orthodox denominations, which broke from the Russian Orthodox Church in the 17th century:
  • Russian Orthodox Old-Rite Church
• Orthodoxy, the correct theological or doctrinal observance of religion
• Western Orthodoxy, which is a term usually used to describe parishes that, although actually Eastern Orthodox in doctrine, use rites adapted for use in Protestant or Catholic countries. It is also used by some church bodies associated with the Old Catholic Church, Continuing Anglican Movement, and Liberal Catholic Church.

– sgeureka ^t•c 11:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

This page has been reverted to-and-fro several times in the meantime, so I'll be more clear. That page was marked for DAB cleanup, and I cleaned it up using the rules of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). Please familiarize yourself with that topic before doing any more reverts to the for-cleanup-marked page. That page is a disambiguation page to help people find what they want quickly (see Wikipedia:Disambiguation) and not a page where to describe the linked-to pages in detail. I have reverted it back. You may help by building on my cleanup version where you think I was too bold in removal of information. – sgeureka ^t•c 22:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

That's just it - I think ALL of the removal was too bold, and giving so-called "Conservative Christians" in the West as the primary meaning of "Orthodox" is completely unacceptable. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 23:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Please read WP:REVERT#Don't. Your reverts seem inappropriate, especially since you didn't improve my edit but rather reverted back to a version that is obviously not acceptable by MoS:DAB standards. As for putting Conservative Christians first: I'm not familiar with Christianity and simply went for an alphabetical order, with no harm intended. That alone should not have been your reason to revert, especially if a simple cut-paste job would have done. I'm leaving this note up for others to decide what should be done. Please also read WP:3RR. One of the reverts back to my version was not by me. – sgeureka ^t•c 23:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, DO NOT delete {{disambig-cleanup}} until this disambiguation page has been properly cleaned up per MoS:DAB (or until we could find consensus otherwise). Anyone may clean up. – sgeureka ^t•c 01:04, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe that the best course of action is for Codex Sinaiticus to expand the page into a comaprison of the various orthodoxies. Consequently, I'm removing the disambiguation tag from this page altogether. Ewlyahoocom 20:06, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

That change has made it much worse than it was before (IMO). I've looked through the history. Please look at the evolution of this page: Dec 2001 (creation) Feb 2002 Jul 2003 Jun 2005 Aug 2005 Jan 2006 Feb 2006 May 2006 Sep 2006 Sep 2006 Jan 2007 (when marked for {{disambig-cleanup}}). I think this page was right to be a (topic) disambiguation in the first place, even if religion tends to not have strict borders. But for disambiguation pages, there is MoS:DAB, and this should apply here also. I'm still inviting others to apply those cleanup guidelines here. – sgeureka ^t•c 20:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

For the record: The whole {{disambig-cleanup}} tag has been deleted in the last revert (not by me), thus deleting the DAB status of this page (although I think it is a DAB page, even though not in the strictest sense). I am going to leave this page alone for now and wait what others think about it being a DAB page. – sgeureka ^t•c 11:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)