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Contents 1 Name of article? 2 "Calipoiea Mountains"? 3 Tehachapi Mountains? 4 Enormous state footers 5 Oregon Coast Ranges 6 Peninsular Range? 7 Cascade Range? 8 Alaska Ranges?

[edit] Name of article?

This article would better be named Pacific Coast Ranges (as it is specifically about those particular coastal ranges). There is a (dictionary definition) article at Coastal range, that probably should be moved to Wikitionary. Any comments? - Marshman 19:21, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I decided to fix the confusion of names. This article is now at Pacific Coast Ranges - Marshman 17:45, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Are there non-Pacific-bordering "Coast Ranges"? Stan 19:22, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Not in North America, but there is a page Coastal range that was more a definition and gave the west coast as an example, so the concept is certainly not limited to the NA west coast. I'm sure there are other places in the world where "coast range" has a local meaning (in Japan, the "coast range" is on the western side of Honshu). Indeed, having grown up in California myself, my use of the term "Coast Range" is decidedly more local than this article encompasses. I'd have never meant the Olympic Peninsula in Washington or places in Alaska or Mexico by the term: the "Coast Range" clearly went from a bit north of LA to south of the Columbia River, at the very most! So the term that is uniting about all these ranges described in the article is that they are part of the North America Pacific Coastal Ranges—shortened to Pacific Coast Ranges. This eliminates some confusion I found in what various permutations of "coast(al) range(s) should redirect to - Marshman 21:23, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] "Calipoiea Mountains"?

What are the Calipoiea Mountains? I tried googling them, and google wants to spell it Calliopeia Mountains. A search on < oregon coast range Calliopeia > had no web hits. I was raised in Oregon, and have never heard of these mountains.

I think we mean Calapooya Mountains See also: Kalapuya Katr67 22:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tehachapi Mountains?

And — the Tehachapi Mountains are considered a coastal range? dino 00:35, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I would question that too. Although they "attach" to the coastal range, they divide the SJ Valley and the desert. Maybe whomever added them can explain inclusion of that particular transverse range? - Marshman 03:07, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Enormous state footers

I agree. That ("California box") addition is absolutely ridiculous. I would hope there are no plans to stamp that monstrousity onto every article that remotely has to do with California. I thought the purpose of Categories was to avoid such redundant "sludge" ? - Marshman 19:02, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Marshman! I thought I was the only person who was repelled by enormous state navigation footers. I think they're ridiculous, even in articles that are completely intra-state. And your point that categories supercedes them is a good one.

Do you think there is a chance that we can move the consensus away from using them, at least for inter-state regional articles? -- hike395 05:09, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

I would hope so. Imagine a page with 6 to 10 of those worthless Tables of Contents, which could be the case here as Alaska, Yukon, BC, Washington, Oregon, California, and Baja could all claim a spot on this page (the "Rockies" article would be unusable!). Users do not go to an article like this to find a list of cities of a state. I'd ban them from all articles and use categories - much less space involved, serve the same purpose (see how we have been doing it for Hawaii), and can be focused AND worked on by all. Not so "templates" which I can seldom even find where they are to make corrections/changes and require careful attention to formatting - Marshman 17:59, 28 May 2005 (UTC) Oops, I see someone has plastered the templates on the Hawaii articles too! However, I will see to it that they only appear on articles for which the ToC template has an existing link (i.e., cities, islands, counties) - Marshman

I have no idea where to start a policy discussion about this. Do you? -- hike395 04:10, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Not really, but we could bring it up at the "Village Pump" - Marshman 18:17, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon Coast Ranges

I've lived in Oregon for almost 35 years, most of that in Lane County, and as far as I know, the range of mountains you cross on the way to the coast has always been called the "Coast Range". I'm completely unaware that there is a more specific name for it. All of the Oregon articles that mention the "Coast Range" redirect to "Pacific Coast Ranges", which doesn't seem specific enough. I like the idea of starting an "Oregon Coast Ranges" article, but what a mess to disambig all those links. I'd be interested to hear what any geography experts have to say on the subject. What is the darn range really called, and does it merit its own article? Katr67 17:03, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Problem with "Coast Range" is it's a synonym for the Coast Mountains in BC-Alaska; officially they're the Coast Mountains but habitually people, including official types, will say Coast Range. The qualifier on Oregon Coast Range may be necessary just for that reason. Similarly there's issues with the way Americans used "Cascades" and the way Canadians do.Skookum1 17:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)!

I have long thought of the coastal highlands of Oregon and Washington as called the "Coast Range", which, from a geologic perspective, includes the Olympic Mountains and the insular mountains of British Columbia (Vancouver Island, Queen Charlottes); while the "Coast Mountains" refers specifically to the big mountains along the mainland coast of British Columbia, which appear on maps to be a continuation of the Cascades north of the Fraser River although they are not geologically the same. I'm sure people call the Coast Mountains the Coast Range and vice versa all the time, and really the words "mountains" and "range" mean the same thing. Still, I wish there was an article on what I've described as the Coast Range. There doesn't seem to be one. It would be nice to wikilink to a page on just that range instead of every mountain range near the Pacific coast from Mexico to Alaska. The page could be called "Coast Range (Oregon)", since the term is usually applied only to the Oregon portion. If I find the energy and time, I'll make it. It can describe the problems and common confusion over the names of the coastal highland and mountains in the Pacific Northwest. Anyway, I was kind of surprised to discover it didn't already exist, but then again, there doesn't seem to be a "Geography of Washington" page either! Working on that one. Pfly 03:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for offering to do something about this. There are a few pages linking to Oregon Coast Range, including this article, so I think that would be an OK title for the article unless naming conventions dictate the ugly parenthetical... If you look at Marys Peak, you will also see why it would be handy to have an Oregon-specific article, as it says it is the highest point in the *Oregon* Coast Range. Katr67 05:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peninsular Range?

Why is the Peninsular Range included here? It is not part of the Coast Range, and has more in common with the Sierra Nevada than it does the California Coast Range. --Pegminer 22:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure anyone is keeping a close eye on this list, and it may have been added incorrectly. If no one responds with a good reason for inclusion in a few days, I would say it would be safe to delete it, especially if you could find a source to show it *isn't* part of the Coast Range that you could cite here. Katr67 22:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Note: The Peninsular Ranges article says they belong to the Coast Range as well. Katr67 22:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cascade Range?

Is the Cascade Range really considered part of the Pacific Coast ranges? Katr67 06:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes; capital-r Pacific Coast Ranges is a grouping which has various names, e.g. Pacific Cordillera, American Cordillera, although both those definitions tend to include the Rockies and other inland ranges. I realize you may be speaking from the Oregon orientation, where the "Coast Range" is the lower line of mountains between the Williamette and the Pacific, yes? Thing is "Coast Range" in Canada is synonymous with "Coast Mountains" so we add "Pacific" to it to mean the larger grouping. The grouping includes the Sierras, the California coastal ranges (whose names I don't know), the Olympics, the Insular Mountains, the Coast Mountains, and the St. Elias and Chugach Mountains....so why shouldn't it also include the Cascade Range?Skookum1 19:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alaska Ranges?

I've currently set the northward limit here at the Chugach, Kenai and Talkeetna; ranges farther west, though also limning the Pacific Coast, sort of, are all in the Alaska Ranges; not sure if they should be included here, i.e. if they're classified as part of the Pacific Cordillera or not, or are something separate.Skookum1 23:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)