Talk:Peace symbol
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In the opening line, what is (☮ U+262E) supposed to display? In my browser (IE6), it displays a square and the jumble U+262E. What is it supposed to look like? Is there a way to fix it? —Frecklefoot 17:24, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- See the runes article discussion page and follow the link to the runic font.
There are more peace symbols than this one.. Shouldn't we discuss olive branches, doves etc. in this article? [[User:Sverdrup|❝Sverdrup❞]] 02:27, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- White dove with branch: It could be pointed out that the symbol of the olive branch is much older than the bible. I've read somewhere that it has its origin in one of the first conventions of war: you should not harm the olive trees (because they take so long to bear fruit). If i had a source i would put it in. -- Michael
What about the hand sign for peace using two fingers. Does anyone know the origin of that? Is it related to V-for-victory? --Carl 05:27, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Fourth Spoke
The original peace symbol did not have the fourth spoke (at 6 o'clock). It kinda looks like the Mercedes symbol, except the 12 o'clock spoke was longer than the two lower spokes. Also, Mercedes spokes are tapered, the peace sign spokes are straight.
I think the article should mention the original three-spoke peace sign. Jigen III 06:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Issues
Shouldn't this have the anti-war template?
Furthermore, shouldn't we have an image showing the original N an D symbols, for comparison with the 'unified' modern peace symbol?
The "peace flag" section is quite poorly written. I have made some small grammatical changes but it needs a larger overhaul. In particular the portion discussing the symbolism of the rainbow (especially the phrase "pacific coexistence of people" which, if it makes sense, should be elaborated on - as of now I have no idea what it means) is badly constucted. Also, the discussion of the manufacturer of the flag should refer more directly to the circumstances which led to such a massive increase in production. Or perhaps the whole section should be rewritten in a more chronological fashion, first talking about the history and symbology of the flag, THEN discussing it's recent rise in popularity. -- Chad
[edit] Dove's foot?
I always understood the symbol to emblematic of a foot of a dove. Perhaps I'm way off base there. YearginSM 06:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Dove holding olive branch?
Shouldn't we have a picture of it? Isn't that a sign of peace as well? It's used in WP:KC among other things. Borisblue 05:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Most of Antagosim section moved from article
[edit] Antagonism
The fact that the symbol resembles a bird's foot in a circle gave rise to alternative interpretations, ranging from plain mockery of "crow's foot" and "The Footprint of the American Chicken" (suggesting that peace activists were cowards) to a number of occult meanings.
Conspiracy theorists believe that the symbol is one symbol among many that has a different meaning to the inscrutable elite than it has to the general public. Some believe it is an ancient symbol designating hatred toward Christians, from Emperor Nero, who crucified the Apostle Peter upside-down, hence it is a symbol of an inverted cross. The Nero's cross has also been recognized as a "mockery" of christianity, as it is thought to represent a broken, upside down cross, within a circle representing "Nero's vision". It is thought that Nero believed that the destruction of Christianity and all Christians would bring peace. It has even been rumored that the proliferation of the sign was on-part due to a Soviet conspiracy to encourage the sign which had a hidden anti-christian design (an objective part of the Soviet goals).
It has also been called a relative of the Nazi swastika – or the rune algiz inverted, said to mean "hidden danger". It resembles the rune calc.
An inverted peace symbol could also be seen as stylized image of the female pubic region.
[edit] It's not a dove's foot
Monsignor Bruce Kent says he was at the meeting where they approved the logo based on the semaphore for N and D, and I for one believe him. There seems to be some kind of myth, particularly prevalent in America, that this is some kind of pre-Christian peace symbol. It isn't, it's the CND symbol.
[edit] anarchy symbol
it doesnt reseble the anarchy symbol to me and i would like to read the letter the hippie wrote
[edit] 3rd Panzer Division
Apparantly an identical or nearly identical symbol was used as the insignia for Germany's 3rd Panzer Division circa 1943. Can somebody confirm that for me? -Toptomcat 00:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Local controversy over peace symbol wreath
Would it be appropriate to add a mention of this to the article? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Yahoo news links are gone after a few months. Here is the New York Times abstract:
- New York Times; November 29, 2006; Pro-Peace Symbol Forces Win Battle in Colorado Town. Denver, Colorado, November 28, 2006. Peace is fighting back in Pagosa Springs. Last week, a couple were threatened with fines of $25 a day by their homeowners’ association unless they removed a four-foot wreath shaped like a peace symbol from the front of their house.
- CNN:Peace on Earth? Not in our subdivision!
Oops, added the citation before reading the talk page. Feel free to remove or edit as you like (not that you need my permission). My two cents... I think it should be at least cited as the "controversy" is already alluded to in the text of the article but it's a little light on references. New 21:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Antagonism and white doves
Does anyone know why the Antagonism section is called that? Wouldn't "Spurious Histories of the Peace Sign" be better?
Also, why have white doves become the peace symbol? Does white symbolize peace? --DBlomgren 02:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Added lighted peace symbol
I added a picture of a lighted peace symbol upon the suggestion of a friend. The picture is one that I took of myself modeling the lighted peace symbol that I designed and constructed. I have licenced it under the GPL license. --Allyn 01:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- That looks wicked. Unfortunatly I don't think that it is notable enough to warrent inclusion in the article.--JK the unwise 14:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Looking up wicked on Wikipedia, it can mean extreme, unusual, or even excellent. It is used in the computer industry to describe excellent graphics or network performance. Based on this, I feel that you really meant that it should stay in the article. If it is 'wicked', then it is excellant. I am tempted to revert and put it back in, but please let me wait and see what response I get. Please clarify your intention. --Allyn 16:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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- By 'wicked' I did indeed mean very good. However, being a cool thing is not enough to justify inclution in an encycolpedia article. See Wikipedia:Notability "The inclusion of topics on Wikipedia is a reflection of whether those topics have been included in reliable published works. Other authors, scholars, or journalists have decided whether to give attention to a topic, and in their expertise have researched and checked the information about it. Thus, the primary notability criterion is a way to determine whether "the world" has judged a topic to be notable. This is unrelated to whether a Wikipedia editor personally finds the subject remarkable or worthy."--JK the unwise 14:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. I thought that I would include an example of a use for a peace symbol as someone had suggested
- By 'wicked' I did indeed mean very good. However, being a cool thing is not enough to justify inclution in an encycolpedia article. See Wikipedia:Notability "The inclusion of topics on Wikipedia is a reflection of whether those topics have been included in reliable published works. Other authors, scholars, or journalists have decided whether to give attention to a topic, and in their expertise have researched and checked the information about it. Thus, the primary notability criterion is a way to determine whether "the world" has judged a topic to be notable. This is unrelated to whether a Wikipedia editor personally finds the subject remarkable or worthy."--JK the unwise 14:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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to me verbally. You're right that it's not notable mainly because it a one of a kind. I have since moved it to the Commons and put it in some of the galleries there. --Allyn 04:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reverted vandalism
I reverted an apparent vandalism where someone had replaced the entire article with just 'peace sign'. --Allyn 02:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
