Talk:Peaches (musician)
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[edit] POV discussion
'Her lyrics are discussed as part of the queer-studies course curriculum at the University of Toronto'
The University of Toronto does not have a queer-studies program.
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- A paragraph was added containing some very POV based comments on how "great" Peaches is and how her songs come off like --- romps but are in fact "commentary on gender roles" and "feminist". I originally edited this to be NPOV so it said things like "some may say they are..."; but I then went and looked up the lyrics of her song "Stuff Me Up" which was specifically sited as being one of these songs with a feminist message on gender roles. The lyrics to this song are "I see you stuffing your face, why don't you stuff me up?/Eat a cookie, a big dick, everyday, what?" That's LITERALLY the only lyrics (repeated obviously.) I fail to find a trace of this alleged feminist gender role commentary. So I am forced to believe that whoever added said paragraph originally was just an overzealous fan. I've edited it to reflect what I believe is a more accurate description of her music. Pacian 09:05, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well, I don't really listen to Peaches, but I know my sister does and considers her music to be pretty feminist. ^_^ And I've heard a few other people say similiar things about Peaches, so definately "some" people do make such claims.
What is going on with the Peaches entry? First of all, who are you to decide whether or not the lyrics of ONE song are feminist or not? Secondly, her work is generally considered to be, amongst a small but growing academic following, a great summary of post-feminist theory! And lastly why does the article have a posting about internet rumors!? Can someone please take that off! An "internet rumor" sounds very much like an "urban myth" to me. I have actually spoken to Peaches myself and Merrill is a well adjusted individual that is actually quite softly spoken. Confusion about her gender is the very point her songs are arguing against, there is no gender, it's an illusion of culture. I don't know how to do it, but I would like it if someone could remove that passage please.
- I don't think it's been proven at all effective to have someone who claims to have been deterred from understanding the overwhelming majority POV amongst Peaches fans that not only her music has feminist undertones but her role in the music industry from one excerpt of a song lyric. I'm not recommending that the neutrality rule be obliterated, but someone who is more familar with Peaches music and career should be put to work on this article to present a more fleshed out representation of her. This article is, frankly, very beige in its scope. Clearly Pacian isn't qualified or informed enough to be the dominant authority of this topic. Grapeflux 03:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I took the time to do what Pacian didn't, and looked at some of Peaches' lyrics in detail - I'm just getting into her music, and have been nothing but impressed with it - and have to say that I think he's talking out of his hat. Firstly, please take into account the possibility that a songwriter might be being ironic. Secondly, to repeat a point already made - you're judging her entire body of work on the basis of one song? Thirdly, the lyrics of many songs - I've made a start here with some from 'The Teaches of Peaches' - are obviously intelligent, self-referential, contradictory and complex, definitely a sign that one should take the time to look at them in more detail. I don't know if anyone is going to agree with what I've put so far, but I'd be interested to see any new additions or comments. One more point: when it comes to analysing other people's words, you can't *not* be POV, unless you happen to be able to read the author's mind. In which case I suggest that here, and elsewhere on Wikipedia, no intepretation is deleted unless it's obviously tripe (i.e. badly written, badly argued and prejudiced - not just something you don't happen to agree with). The more interpretations we can get for any one text or artist, the more rounded a picture the reader of the article is going to get. As I said, I've only made a start here. To be continued...
...Back again. I started a wildly pretentious POV rant, then took the time to read a couple of interviews with Peaches, one of which I've put a link to at the bottom, from which I've extracted a typical statement of her position - not unequivocally feminist, but certainly indicating the thoughtfulness and intelligence that Pacian thought was lacking (I've also made a note of the serious academic interest in her work). There's more to do - analysis of individual songs would be nice, but from my own experience I think it would be hard not to be POV. Big up the Peach. Ooh rah.
i'm almost 100% sure that Peaches is not a "sex change patient", whatever that means. i'm not a user, i'm not logged in, but i just came across this and thought it should be changed. i'll log in later i guess, if no one else does. unless someone can back up this claim with a reference, someone should at least change the wording, since people who choose to change their sex aren't usually called patients for the rest of their lives. -hh74.12.209.77 04:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Electroclash
I wouldn't really define her as Electroclash. What do others think?--Geedubber 00:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- The Last.FM tag test shows her at #3 under electroclash, but her most prominent tag is "electronic". Genres are fuzzy, I'm not inclined to argue them extensively. --Dhartung | Talk 05:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Accidental revert
I'm sorry I reverted the article to its vandalised state! I'm on a school computer with a filter right now, so I can't fix my mistake, but it's not vandalism, I promise! Burndownthedisco talk 15:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What's the point?
This article is dominated by a single quote about Peaches' album "Fatherfucker". It really doesn't add anything so I'm wondering what the reason for including it is. I'll give it a few days, maybe one of you who knows her better can explain. If not, out it goes.70.121.7.89 01:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)Nunya
[edit] Is Peaches a satanist
So in the BLoc Party Remix she repeats 666, anyone know if shes a satanist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.122.82.5 (talk) 23:30, 17 December 2006 (UTC).
- I think she isn't a satanist --Göran Smith 00:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Trivia Section
Isn't the trivia section getting a bit to long? Are 16 facts necessary? Tehfreek 00:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
