Talk:Pope Urban II
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[edit] Messenger of Hate?
I think this article lacks serious questions surrounding Urban II's racism and ignorance, especially on the faith of Islam. There's no eternal links connecting him to any biography and in particular the speech he preached for the First Cruisade against the Muslims.
- There is a link to the various versions of the speech at the end of the article. What do you want to say about racism? It's the eleventh century, not the twenty-first. Adam Bishop 16:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, though in comparison to the first speech, the rest have been written years after it has been made. And that info I'll write down later. MikailMoolla 23:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well this is wikipedia, not some ignorant PC soapbox...or, well, they may be the same thing, but ought not to be. 72.144.198.53 02:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Creative Commons image
I'm working on the Champagne (province) article and I came across this creative commons photo of a statue in tribute to the fame Champenois Urban II
. I don't know if the editors of this article have a use for this, but feel free if you want to use it. Agne 08:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Urban's real motives for instigating the crusade?
I am studying the beginning of the crusades, primarily whether Pope Urban II had another motive than genuine relgion when calling it. I have read many theories such as Urban's desire for extra wealth for the Papacy through opening up trade routes to Eastern Europe and of course loot. Other ideas are that Urban wished to assert his authority over Orthodox Christianity prompting Alexius I of Byzantium to accept him as head of all Christianity thus healing the Great Schism of 40 years previously.
Could anyone offer any historians views on this subjects or websites, books etc, that could be helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.78.94.2 (talk) 13:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC).
I recommend starting with Thomas Asbridge's The First Crusade - A New History - The Roots of Conflict between Christianity and Islam. Also, A History of the Crusades 2nd Edition by Jonathan Riley-Smith. These delve into Urban's motives. Mk26gmls 18:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
