User talk:Quizatz Haderach

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[edit] So new - untouched

Just noticed your edits on Southern Ocean - what a relief its constructive by a blue linked editor - there had been some stange happenings at the article. Also impressed by your user name - in Java (a much vandalised article than one) some mythologies have people trilocating and bilocating - but I like the desscription of your persona- many places - hope you enjoy wikipedia and avoid all the messy bits... :) SatuSuro 00:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please note

I have just noticed your work at World Ocean - this article looks sound - but roaming cleanup/mop persons of the wikipedian type will in fact have good reason to slap tags on the article becuase it dosnt cite refs or sources - to survive these horse persons of the apocalypse wikipedian style - you must find a ref or citation to defend the articles against the V and N issues - if you dont know those issues- well worth reading up on WP:V and WP:N before they dismount from their horses... SatuSuro 13:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

We have crossed in the messages - I would like to help you! - its relief to see sanity at the ocean surface (I have had things to do with australian maritime history project from time to time...) - the articles need refs.... SatuSuro 13:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I would emphasise the hose or horse persons have the annoying capacity to throw in their tags and become a nuisance... a specific english language thing on what his name and world ocean - book or article cited - might be needed for the geographically linguistcally or culturally challenged :)

As for a wp:oceans give me a second or two... SatuSuro 14:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok - the process for starting a wp - is to (a) check every category and article that might relate (ie ocean, oceanography etc) and the major article ocean- see what might link there - and if there is no sign of a WP linked in any way - its clear (b) there is a WP page for people wanting to start up wps (I know i more or less started australian mairitime history) - and see if anyone is itnerested - you gotta get the correct format for a project - put it on a sub page of your user page - and copy/reverse engineer other projects - no harm done - so that it looks ok - (c) enough interesst from others- and youre up and running. - you gotta get friends who are admins - they can pull strings re setting up a project - never ever be rude to an admin! they are our gaurdians against the horse persons of the steppes (or roaring sixties... I still havent made that art yet - I worked on a stub of the furious fifties.. but...) enough for the moment - beware the V and N issues - try to haul in the nets for refs from books or arts - sometimes links to online sources can be criticised by the ones with shiny boots... :) cheers SatuSuro 14:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I know a map librarian who has a phd in the geography and politics of sea and national boundaries in the indian ocean. I think he and I would be having apoplexy at some of the assertions of the concept of where boundaries exist in the article based on the world ocean idea- there are endless edit fights and young eds from the mid west of the states who relate that they have been taught this and that about where seas and oceans start (the pacific ocean bundary in the middle of indonesia (I am on the indonesian project there as well and the ocean/sea boundries are almost as much fun with the x thousand islands as welll) ) in most of the ocean and sea articles - as well as peripheral articles - the uncertainties regarding exact boundaries between seas and oceans etc - and the reaching for the cia world fact book as the final answer - or a copy of twenty year old paper encyclopedia reference - can only make the task more difficult - beware the lurking protectors of the truth (believe me I found one who hovers around the 'rat' article... ) - please dont tell me I havent warned you! SatuSuro 14:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok - your multiple edit reply has been read - your world ocean article - (1) specific reference - can go under a section titled reference (2) further reading not cited or refered to but good for the subject (3) external links - online sources. some eds see red when they see an undiferentiated collection of sources of diff types...

Project - well seeing that I belong to too many - no problems I'll help you. just let me know when - but real life does really get to me at times... so i can get too wordy... SatuSuro 15:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arctic

Just look at the bottom part of that article - all that you need to see in a well laid out example of what I was trying to point out above... look at and enjoy! SatuSuro 15:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Then at the Indian Ocean- see what happens - bits can find their way into new articles in front your eyes as you edit! :) SatuSuro 15:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] North America

While I agree 100% with your decision to revert the warning template (I was about to do the same) you shouldn't have marked the change as minor. It's unlikely to be noncontraversial. WilyD 20:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

• Hey, I agree with the edit you made. But - uh - there are a few Latin Americans who really resent the meaning of the word America in English, and our use of Continent. Pretty much, it boils down to Well, this is what we say it in Spanish/Portraguese while failing to understand that nuance can be lost in translation. Anyways, I just meant it as a friendly heads-up. WilyD 20:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • In general, if an editor puts a generic complaint like that on an article without bringing their concerns to the talk page, you can feel free to just remove it. FWIW, there's no evidence the Olympics Rings imply the Americas are a single continent. Generically, they sometimes are said to represent "The Five Inhabited Regions of the World where sports are played" (I guess the Foosball played in Antartica doesn't count). Besides, even if there are only five inhabited continents, any idiot with a map can see Europe and Asia are on the same continent ;) WilyD 21:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • FWIW, Answers.com is just a mirror of Wikipedia - don't use it for a source. It just barfs up whatever Wikipedia says. WilyD 21:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Hmm, can't say I've seen that one before, though I think it goes back to my translation point. Anyhew, I was under the impression the reason Answers.com is different from Wikipedia is that it only updates every so often. I may be wrong. But I doubt you'll get it in as a reliable source easily. WilyD 21:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
      • Ugh, I don't like having to deal with this, but Use of the word American, which is basically a naked endorsement of Manifest Destiny set me of enough to get me dragged in. I may be wrong, but I am pretty confident it's just the roughness of translations that causes the problem. WilyD 21:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)