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[edit] Notable record producers
Would anyone feel terribly hurt if I completely revised the list of notable record producers which concludes this article? Two halves 06:19 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)
- Depends on what you do with it. There's a definite falling off after the first dozen names, but that's what always happens to Wikipedia lists, unfortunately. John Hammond practically invented record producing and invigorated popular music for 40 years; some other guy produced albums for Radiohead. Ortolan88
The number of things which I think would appropriate to do with the list is three: 1. Completely remove the list, as I see a great dislike for lists among some Wikipedians. 2. Keep the list, but remove the annotations. If someone is notable, it is already likely that there is (or should be) an article on that person. Annotations are not a good substitute for an article, IMHO. 3. Keep the list as is, and let someone else worry about it.
Direct your opinions below. Two halves 05:46 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
- I'd say keep a list of some kind on the page. It could certainly be narrowed down a little though, if it bothers people (I've only heard of one of the last four names listed, for example.) People like Hammond, Sam Phillips, Buddy Holly, George Martin, Phil Spector, T-Bone Burnett, and a few others should be listed I'd say.. they are certainly some of the most famous record producers in music history. I think they're worth pointing out to the poor soul that doesn't know what a record producer is. -Jazz77
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- Lists are a useful form of organization in an on-line reference work. They perform an indexing function. If you see a reference to record producer in one place, it helps you find other record producers. The lists are much more useful if they are annotated, particularly if there is no article on the person. Also, the annotation helps gauge the relative impact of the person. They aren't meant to substitute for the article, but if there is no article, they help.
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- The only drawback is that less important people clutter up the lists. See List of novelists for an example. On the other hand, where would you go to find a novelist? If you went there, you'd at least know whether there was an article, what language they wrote in, and, if annotated, a little snippet of something about them.
I love lists, even if it means that they get long. The only method of control is to find a list from some outside body, the Record Producers Hall of Fame, and use that as the source of the list. See List of songwriters/temp2 and its talk page for some efforts along these lines. Ortolan88 06:07 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
First, a big thank you to all who commented. For O., I completely agree with you that lists are a useful form of organization in an on-line reference work. I have edited a couple of these lately (punk cities and power-pop bands). I should have mentioned a fourth option to move the list of notables to its own article, which would help with the length problem that over 125 years of recorded music is likely to produce. I also agree that there needs to be some standards to what will go on that list, otherwise producers who are known, but not necessarily notable, like Kenny Laguna or Martin Hannett, or those you don't associate with record production (like Joan Jett or Geddy Lee) will make the list. Two halves 06:40 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
- Just to throw another wrench in the machine, the line between the producer and the recording artist is blurry in some fields (i.e. electronic music and hip hop). Tuf-Kat
I think the list is un-save-ably POV and should me moved here. See Talk:String quartet. We do have List of record producers. Hyacinth 05:54, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
- Perhaps it should be a short list of 'historically important' record producers. That is, a producer who's work changed the way music was/is produced. EG George Martin, Phil Spector. Iain 00:44, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Hmmm... How about Quincy Jones? This is not a "special wish" of mine, then I would have added few more, but this is definitely someone that has influenced music in a big way, had great comercial success in the past and is still a big figure/icon in the world of music. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cocaine42 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Removed
- See also: rap production
A common mistake is that the definition of a producer changes when it comes to rap music. People tend to define a 'rap producer' as 'guy who made the beat'. This is incorrect! The definition of a music producer DOES NOT change depending on genre! The confusion occurs because many rap music composers are wrongly credited as "producer" when their only contribution was the composition itself. There is a misconception in the rap world that says if the producer didn't actually play the instruments in the beat, he isn't really a producer. A producer is and does what has already been explained in this page. Most rap producers, including Dr. Dre, Kanye West, Just Blaze, Jermaine Dupri, among others produce their recordings the traditional way, by supervising a team of musicians.
I removed the above as there is no rap production article and the paragraph about it is in the wrong tone and appears to be arguing with assertions never made. Hyacinth 19:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citations
What needs to be cited? Hyacinth 20:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mixing?
Is it common for the producer to oversee mixing and mastering (or alternatively, is it rare for a producer not to be involved in the mixing/mastering) but rather for the artist and the mixer dealing with the mixing with the producer having only been responsible for the recording session alone? TheHYPO 16:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- I think that's the type of question that might vary greatly depending on the producer. In my experience a lot of producers are also the sound engineers and tend to either work the sound desk themselves or alongside the artist. However, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there are also many producers with a far more detached approach. --Monofiopia 04:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] malicious entry???
In the section "The evolution of the role of the producer" I came across the following statement:
signing new artists to production contracts penis,
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Looks like the word "penis" is uncalled for here...
therefore removing it.
Hello, Good point. It probably meant "peanuts" or, no money. Still not a good definition worth of inclusion, so good edit. Don't forget to sign your name next time, though. Have a nice day. Evinatea 19:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
