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[edit] Orphan redirect
Adopted orphan redirects for Google: Roy Harold Scherer Jr., Roy Scherer Jr.
[edit] Homosexual
Hudson remained in the closet until his sexual orientation became known towards the end of his life
Well, yeah. I remained a virgin until I had sex. What caused "his sexual orientation [to become] known towards the end of his life"? I have a suspicion, but I'm not sure. --Charles A. L. 18:22, Mar 27, 2004 (UTC)
- His very public admission that he was homosexual, had contracted AIDS by that route, his search for treatment and his subsequent death from AIDS? Cite: http://www.meredy.com/rockhudson/ -- Karada 12:07, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
and most remembered as being a raging homosexual who died of complications due to AIDS
This is not true and is inflammatory. Hudson is best known as an actor who starred as a leading man in numerous films. That he died of AIDS related illness is likely but does not over shaddow his career. I removed the statement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SA Santa (talk • contribs) 14:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
The word cancer was tossed around, but not, at least by those who had something to lose, was the phrase gay cancer mentioned. This should be removed as well. --m.g.h.
[edit] Hudson and Narbors
What's the point of this sentence?
- Hudson was reportedly very good friends with Jim Nabors of television's Gomer Pyle.
In the paragraph's context, it implies that Nabors is homosexual, and unless I completely missed the memo, that is just false. Mike H 06:17, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
Removed this sentence (as this looks like a joke, and I can't find a cite):
- The two reportedly adopted a son together and named him Rock Pyle although this is speculation.
It's all the same thing! In the early 70's, a false invitation to a real party was issued, which invited guests to the (false) marriage of Hudson and Narbors - the two were never invited. Before that time, Hudson and Narbor's had been good friends, but after that point they never appeared again in public together - and their friendship died. Rgds, Trident13 08:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] References in popular culture
Removed section. Please see discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Films#References in Popular Culture Project The JPS 12:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Contradiction
At one point in the article, we have this statement:
Hudson never publicly acknowledged his homosexuality.
Doesn't this contradict other parts, such as his response to Boze Hadleigh? ~ CZeke 08:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reagan
Hudson's death is said to have pushed his long time friend and then Republican President Ronald Reagan to change his tune on efforts to fight and publicize the epidemic, although it would be a further two years before Reagan mentioned the term "AIDS."
This is why it's a good idea to cite sources - the claim that Reagan didn't publicly acknowledge AIDS until 1987 is an urban myth. He mentioned it at least as early as a press conference in September 1985, shortly before Hudson's death[1] and again in a message to Congress in February 1986[2].--Calair 12:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- Paul Boneberg, who in 1984 started Mobilization Against AIDS in San Francisco, begged President Reagan to say something now that he, like thousands of Americans, knew a person with AIDS. Writing in the Washington Post in late 1985, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, stated: "It is surprising that the president could remain silent as 6,000 Americans died, that he could fail to acknowledge the epidemic's existence.'' Reagan would ultimately address the issue of AIDS while president. His remarks came May 31, 1987 (near the end of his second term), at the Third International Conference on AIDS in Washington. kedar63
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- According to his own web site, Waxman's article appeared on September 4th 1985, which doesn't contradict the claim I cited above that Reagan spoke about AIDS at a press conference in that some month (the date given for that conference is September 17th, 1985). Even this commondreams.org article - heavily critical of Reagan's response to AIDS - acknowledges that he was asked about the subject in a press conference on that date and answered it, if unsatisfactorily.
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- There are plenty of people under the impression that Reagan didn't speak about AIDS until 1987, but besides the September '85 press conference, there's the February '86 message to Congress, and <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9A0DE4D71239F935A35751C0A960948260">this NY Times article</a> (Feb 6 1986): "President Reagan announced today that he had asked the Surgeon General of the United States to prepare a major report on AIDS..." --Calair 08:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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- AIDS was first reported in 1981. By the time President Reagan brought himself to address the plague there were 60,000 reported cases of full-blown AIDS and 30,000 deaths.
- I have found a bunch of articles on this subject surfing the NET. I am not going to list all of them, not to fall too much into politics, but here are a couple of them. One is here, another one, an extract from a 2006 interview to author and playwright Larry Kramer, I am just going to copy its content and paste it here.
- Looking back, do you feel that the Reagan administration abandoned gay men at this point of crisis?
- We didn't exist. Ronald Reagan didn't say the word "AIDS" until 1987. I've tried desperately to get a meeting in the White House; Gay Men's Health Crisis is already an established organization. I have a certain presence. You have to realize I came into all this as somebody who had been in my own world a big deal. I had been assistant to the president of Columbia [Pictures and then] the United Artists. I had an Oscar nomination. I had made major movies. I had employed thousands of people. I had spent budgets of millions of dollars for these film companies. I was not a wallflower in the world, and the first time I realized that none of this meant anything was when I had to try and get New York City Mayor, Ed Koch on the telephone to get an office for Gay Men's Health Crisis in New York City, and I was made to feel like, just who the hell are you? It made me very angry, and it was actually that anger that propelled me more than anything. --kedar63
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- Yes, I am aware that a great many people have repeated the claim that Reagan didn't say 'AIDS' until 1987. On its own, all this proves is that one person said it and plenty of others took it on trust without checking the facts. (And think about the sheer amount of work that would be involved in confirming such a claim, were it true - you'd have to check all Reagan's public utterances between 1981 and 1986 to show it was true.) Snopes is full of examples to show that just because plenty of people repeat a claim doesn't mean it's true.
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- OTOH, all it takes to disprove the claim is a single documented instance before 1987 when Reagan publicly mentioned AIDS; I've listed three above. How do those who claim he didn't mention AIDS before 1987 reconcile their claims with those documents? --Calair 12:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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