Talk:Sampling (music)
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Where Is Double D and Stienski's "lesson one the pay of mix" or Grandmaster Flash's 'Adventures on the wheels of Steel??? the two most influential cut up records ever.
[edit] In between a cover and a sample
How do we deal with and where do we put borrowings or covering that doesn't include a whole song, like a sample, but unlike a sample is re-performed. Numerous examples exist of the bass line from CHIC's "Good Times", from rap songs to Queen. Hyacinth 04:46, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I believe the phrase to describe that is 'musical quotation'. This is often seen in Jazz. I don't believe there's currently a wikipedia page on the subject however I do see mention of the practice on the Quotation page. --E.D.Hedekar 13:52, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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- Thank you! Hyacinth 01:48, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] disambig
i'd like a disambiguation with sampling (signal processing) at the top, although it doesn't really have its own article... - Omegatron 21:23, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Sample Sources
Is there a wikipedia site with a list of sample sources used in songs? For example the names of movies and stuff like that sampled by industrial bands such as Front Line Assembly or Velvet Acid Christ? I was unable to find one, but I don't want to go ahead and create one if it already exists somewhere else. I was thinking there should be a list organized first by band, listing the sources they sampled, and then also a list organized by sample sources showing bands that had sampled them.
[edit] Samplers on sampling
I think there is a huge gap in the general public's perception of sampling concerning WHY and HOW people who sample actually do it. The prevailing idea is that everyone who samples is a business-driven Puff Daddy svengali type who just raps over the instrumentals of hits from the 70s and 80s to make a quick buck. I think the best way to clear this up is to include quotes from the people who sample themselves, let them explain. So I did. --Jamieli 12:24, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
- Absolutely wonderful. I read it and was like "Wow...I'd never expect to see this on WIkipedia!" Great work. --FuriousFreddy 17:43, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Categories
Is the sound category necessary? It is a supercategory of Electronic music, I assume. Hyacinth 10:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merge with Digital sampling; Sampling is more than just reusing others' recordings
Does anyone feel as I do that Sampling (music) ought to be about more than just incorporating someone else's recording in your own? It certainly is about that, but it is much more. Between digital sampling and this article -- which I feel should be combined -- very important topics are completely ignored: instrument samples, for example. There is a whole industry around sampling acoustic instruments. These samples are vastly more common in modern recordings than lifted bits of somebody else's recordings. There also ought to be expanded discussion on how sampling works and how sample rate, bit width, etc. affect the quality of samples. There also ought to be a mention of how music workstations such as a Triton allow you to sample layers of patches so as not to waste polyphony. Please weigh in on this or suggest an alternative solution. --Trweiss 15:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
- It should stay as is but I do agree that there are some other facets of sampling which can be expanded. I would suggest that you think of this sampling article as an one on the technique and the culture that it associates to, rather than the specifics of the digital medium. Sampling has existed long before the common PC was available and I think the mentions to modern sampling cover this enough. I would encourage you to expand on the digital sampling article if you can.
- --OpenSebJ 09:37, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- I would guess that there is enough information about digital sampling to get that article out of stub status while this article is already fairly long. If the digital sampling article stays as a stub I say it should be merged. Hyacinth 11:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Thank you OpenSebJ and Hyacinth for your suggestions. Based on them, I have removed the merge suggestion template and replaced it with a disambiguation link to digital sampling. I will be working on that article. When I am done, it will link to Sampling (music). --Trweiss 23:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Biz Markie case
"...not merely copyright infringement, but criminal theft..."
How could it be theft? Sounds like copyright infringement to me. I don't understand how the author of this line is able to draw this conclusion, but IANAL. The link to Grand Upright Music vs. WB doesn't support a finding of theft either.
[edit] Digital sampling is not sampling (music)
I see from the above comments that some people think digital sampling is about the same thing as this page. It isn't. The phrase 'digital sampling' has a much more fundamental meaning in electronic engineering and digital signal processing. It was in use long before the digital recording of music was possible. A 'sample' in digital processing, or on a music CD, in the technical sense, is a single number, the instantaneous value at one instant in time. The fact that music sampling also involves digital sampling is only the result of the fact that we have digital recording and computers. Music sampling is perfectly possible, if not so convenient, using other technologies.
I moved all music sampling content from 'digital sampling' a while ago, including lists of types of sampling, and expanded the article to cover the technical meaning, which is vital not just to audio but also to our modern telephone systems, television, and video recording. I linked from the top to this other meaning. --Lindosland 20:34, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- In my view, the article omits important cultural and technical components of sampling. Coming from the academic computer music world, some things in this article jump out at me. First of all, it is not clear (you'd really have to read between the lines) that a lot of sampling practice evolved from the use of sampling synthesizers. These synthesizers (e.g. the Fairlight) were developed primarily to replace analog synthesizers, not to play back and repeat rhythmic samples. The pop music world essentially repurposed the hardware to create a new musical esthetic. In doing so, this culture essentially reinvented a practice that extended back to Pierre Schaeffer and that was in the day-to-day activity of many computer music composers who had access to other means to accomplish the same thing. If there is something distinctive about sampling in the pop world, which seems to be an assumption underlying this article, then is is probably an esthetic based on the reuse of music by other artists, something that the more traditional recording and computer music world generally viewed as undignified and uncreative. (I'm not sure these words capture the true sentiment, but there was certainly a sense in the academic electro-acoustic music world that placed a high value on creating new sounds and shunned the idea of taking and using someone else's sound creations.) So I think the article could be improved by describing how technology enabled the development of a new direction/practice in popular music (and didn't the term "sampling" derive from "sampling synthesizers"? -- even the word "sampling" was repurposed) and also by describing what if anything distinguishes "sampling" from the common practice of electro-acoustic music. --RBDannenberg 14:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I agree with Lindosland's comment. I have recently merged digital sampling with sampling (signal processing), since both articles discussed the same meaning of sampling. However, the term 'digital sampling' does seem to be used by music professionals to indicate music sampling. A large number of links to digital sampling are actually supposed to link to sampling (music). Therefore, I think digital sampling should be treated as a disambig page, since people from different backgrounds use the term differently. I am going through all links to digital sampling and disambiging them so that they point to either the music or the engineering terms. When this is done, I will redirect digital sampling to sampling, which is the disambig page for this exact issue. --Zvika 19:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Some video games have sampled too.
I know Earthbound (SNES) and Sonic 3 (Genesis) did, but there are probably a few newer games that do as well (most likely something with a rapper >_>)
Should there be a mention of this somewhere? I know it's not necessary to do so, but it would be nice.
4.237.248.205 20:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sample torrents link added
I added Sample Torrents (www.sampletorrents.com) in the links list.
I run this site along with brent from KVRaudio.com and we keep a strong eye on any material that might be illegal.
[edit] Sampling in the 60's
While i don't have any sources with me for this, I know that Timothy Leary (on his album You Can be Anyone this Time Around) and Delia Derbyshire used techniques similar to sampling during the 1960's. Does anyone have any other individuals that they know of who did this? Orville Eastland 20:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removing "Sample trolls"
I'm removing the section about "Sample trolls", mostly on the basis that it's a neologism. The Slate story seems to be the only use of the term I can find. --Otterfan 13:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] dj shadow's entroducing
could a reference be made to this album as I believe it was entered in the guinness world record books for the 'first completely sampled album'?
[edit] Computer sampling software
Re: the section on software samplers, the only mention seems to be Propellerhead's Reason and Recycle, and I don't think these are particularly relevant - the innovation here is more to do with "beat slicing" than sampling. They're not mentioned on the Wiki page dedicated to samplers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampler_%28musical_instrument%29), which lists better examples like Kontakt and Gigastudio. Needs some joined-up thinking.
White6rabbit 18:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Ben
[edit] Interpolation?
"Artists who do not sample: Replayed Samples"
Ain't that just called interpolation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.147.133.191 (talk) 13:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] 2 Live Crew case
Campbell v. Acuff-Rose, Inc. has nothing to do with sampling. Acuff-Rose owns the publishing rights to the song "Pretty Woman", not the copyright to Orbison's recording of it -- the lawsuit was over Campbell's release of an unauthorized cover version. Lazlo Nibble 07:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
