Talk:San Bernardino County, California
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[edit] We must stop the vandalizm on this board.
Somebody again attempted to damage this article.
Someone is obsessed with trying to add opinionated and non-NPOV info, and attempted to delete new information that has been added the past few weeks, and I caught it and reinstated the newer, NPOV info.
[edit] Crime section is deleted, but not gang violence
San Bernardino county isn't about crime or gangs, but a place where upper-class and white-collar professionals have moved to in lagrge numbers. There are white supremacists in the county though, like the California Golden Knights of the Ku Klux Klan based in Fontana and the National Association for Advancement of white people in Rialto (san Bernardino). I recall former representative David Duke, a self-claimed racist and former klansman bought a mansionette in Fontana. There is some Aryan Nations/Neo-Nazi gang activity like the Nazi Low Riders in Ontario/Chino known for carjacking, drug trafficking and harassment of minorities. We need to write new topics and more articles on San Bernardino county, not limited to the negative. + 207.200.116.201 04:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] This article is just so wrong, and is a disgrace to the Wikipedia community
Why the desire to protect/lock an article that is so biased against San Bernardino County?
There are lots of great places in San Bernardino County.
The gang section is just unacceptable, and yet is protected by someone out of the country who doesn't even live in San Bernardino County?
What happened to the talk page that used to be here, and had protests against this smearing?
This article, or more accurately, this smear campaign against San Bernardino County, is a disgrace to the Wikipedia Community!!!
- As an objective third party, I can't say I find this article unreasonable. It states unbiased facts -- if there are positive aspects of San Bernardino County that you feel are neglected, please add them. However, removing content just because you don't like it is considered antisocial in just about any online community.
- While there are a number of contentious articles on Wikipedia that acts as hotspots for manifest bias, this genuinely doesn't seem to be one of them :)
- Adrian Lamo 04:43, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unbiased? (Thanks for reading.)
Thanks for responding.
Just as one example, can you really say this is "unbiased"?
Quote: "San Bernardino County is infamous for its gang activity."
This is not only absurd, it's just plain wrong. The county is huge, and has many nice places, and yes, a few rough places, too, but it certainly is not quote "infamous".
This section really needs to be rewritten, as numerous people correctly pointed out on the previous talk page before it was deleted just recently.
Thanks for reading.
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- Well, you're right that the section sticks out, which is unfortunate. Some of the language could be improved, too. I've edited that section ever so slightly to make it a bit more neutral, but can't (and wouldn't) outright remove factual content. I am of the belief that as the article evolves, the gang section will become less prominent. Is there anything specific you want to add to this article?
- Adrian Lamo 04:58, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps it could be rewritten as some places in san bernardino county are infamous for gang activity? I live in rialto, and we have 1.5 times the national average for violence but that doesn't make it infamous for it's gang activity. san berdoo is the eighteenth most dangerous city in the us and they're only a couple miles away but rialto is much safer it seems. showing just how spotty the gang violence is
[edit] Much better already. I'm impressed.
That's much better. I'm impressed with Wikipedia.
I think it's still a bit harsh, though.
I agree, the best way is to further develop the article.
Like you said, I'll look up some more information, and be back later to contribute..
- Sorry I don't know enough about the area to immediately do more. I'll add this page to my watchlist, and remember to add content if I come across anything that seems worth adding.
- Articles aren't intended to flatter or demean any topic, place, or person. Thanks for your patience while this one develops, and for taking the time to state an opinion :)
- Cheers. Adrian Lamo 05:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] We must stop the vandalizm on this board.
We must stop the vandalizm on this board.
Somebody again attempted to damage this article.
Someone attempted to delete new information that has been added the past few weeks, and I caught it and reinstated the newer, NPOV info.
- Certainly, the county and cities articles (Fontana, Victorville and Redlands are constantly changed without wikipedia approval). Some of the subjects changed relate to race, income class and demographics that many readers didn't like. References to Fontana, which the wikipedia article states "a town known for lower-income whites", is fooled around with. Fontana does have large African American, Slavic, Mexican (Latino) and Japanese communities, but I check it often to find it was deleted. The city is changing, growing fast and more newcomers are racially diverse, so I don't find it inaccurate. Lower-income whites aren't the majority anymore in the San Bernardino area, even the High desert communities are new homes to the "yuppies" and "commuters" whom work in the Los Angeles area. + 207.200.116.201 04:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Should we eliminate the Crime section?
Maybe we should just eliminate the crime section? It looks like several people have been modifying it, some with NPOV and others with an opinionated POV, and it still isn't a NPOV. Also, it doesn't seem to add much to the article.
- I don't think it is so bad. There certainly is crime in the county. I'm not sure what happened to the one reference but we can fix that. If there is a way to make it more NPOV, then go for it. -Will Beback 21:59, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Repaired with NPOV
The page was again damaged by someone with a biased agenda (the pro-gang troll), and I repaired with the more NPOV on file.
- It looks as if you replaced material that had at least one source with material that has none. That isn't progress. Please provide sources to support your assertions. Please do not remove sourced material provided by others. Thanks, -Will Beback 23:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
