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[edit] Revert on February 19
Re: user:Alanmak's edit summary " Po[r]traying "China" and "Taiwan" as two nations is a bias towards the pan-green coalition. It is against Wikipedia's principle of neutrality. Hong Kong and Macau are subnational entities of the PRC. Like Shanghai, Taipei, they don't have to be separated out " - Nowhere in the 1982 constitution of the PRC was it mentioned that special administrative regions (as prescribed in the Article 31) are administrative divisions (Article 30), not to mentioned their comparability with provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities (well yes tho, they're often said to be province-level, but that's lacking legal foundations). As for the ROC and the PRC, they're effectively two something (but most probably not two nations, at least not yet for the time being). ;-) — Instantnood 22:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- First, Special Administrative Region is a kind of administrative region, and is part of the political hierachy of the People's Republic of China. Second, China is now divided into the PRC-administered area and ROC-administered area. But for the so-called "Taiwan", the official name is "Republic of China" (ROC). So, it is incorrect to put "China" and "Taiwan" on the map. This is also violating the official naming covention suggested by Wikipedia. The naming convention states that one should avoid using "China" to refer to either the PRC or the ROC. Also, instead of "China and Taiwan" or "China and Tibet", one should use something like "mainland China and Taiwan Area" or "China proper and Tibet" to avoid mentioning whether some area is part of China or not. From what you said ("most probably not two nations, at least not yet for the time being"), it seems that you are a strong supporter of Taiwan independence. But this is not a place for you to advertise your political viewpoint. Please respect the official policy of neutral point of view. -Alanmak 23:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
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- A special administrative region is not a city nor province if you've some most basic knowledge of the 1982 constitution of the PRC. Special administrative regions have their international presences, and are frequently included in the category for country, as long as country is not used synonomously with sovereign state. In the map I've already italicised their names to acknowledge their difference with sovereign states.
I'm open with changing "China (PRC)" and "Taiwan (ROC)" into "People's Republic of China" and "Republic of China (Taiwan)". I only meant to make it shorter and more readible, since the names are already adequately and accurately presented in the article itself.
Interesting indeed, I was once accused for being a puppet of the PRC and Chinese nationalism, for I insisted to use "Republic of China" in place of "Taiwan" whenever appropriate. By saying at least not at the time being, it was really meant to be neutral, as we really can't tell what'd happened in future. Ruling out the possibilities is, on the contrary, reflecting one's aspiration on either side. National identities do evolve over time, some new ones would emerge, and some would disappear, as demonstrated by the case of Moldovans and Romanians (the language issue), as well as Serbs and Montenegrins (language and ethnic group on official record). — Instantnood 05:44, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- A special administrative region is not a city nor province if you've some most basic knowledge of the 1982 constitution of the PRC. Special administrative regions have their international presences, and are frequently included in the category for country, as long as country is not used synonomously with sovereign state. In the map I've already italicised their names to acknowledge their difference with sovereign states.
