Talk:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador
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Removing link to Mile One Stadium. Irrelevant. Delief 20:18, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)
I'm a bit worried about what looks like boosterism on the page. dmlaenker 16:16, Mar 14, 2007 (NDT)
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[edit] Date of founding
When was the city founded? Because some people claim that it is the oldest city in Canada it would be nice to have date. When did the first permanent inhabitants arrived?
[edit] Radio
VOCM is still the official callsign of "K-Rock 97.5"; the reference to "VOCM (AM and FM)" needs to be maintained. Bearcat 03:23, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The article states that the finder of new found land was the first to be "known to have reached mainland America." Isn't Newfoundland an island? see List of islands by area. Seabhcán 13:56, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] The Great Fire of 1892: Can someone confirm the date, please ?
When was The Great Fire of 1892 ? July 18 ? not July 8 ? Can someone familiar with the history of St. John's confirm the date, please ? Thanks. -- 64.229.205.2 8 July 2005 16:09 (UTC)
You may also visit the heritage website for confirmation of July 8, 1892 http://www.heritage.nf.ca/society/rhs/greatfire.html HJKeats 8 July 2005 16:18 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've corrected the date in the main text, accordingly. Today is the anniversary, eh ? -- 64.229.205.2 8 July 2005 16:46 (UTC)
[edit] Oldest settlement?
Usually, historians say that the oldest settlement in north america is St.Augustine in Florida (around 1521 if I'm not mistaken). I'm not saying St.John's is not the oldest settlement in North America but it needs to be verified.
The confusion might be due to the fact that the criterion used usually is continous occupation of the settlement, something that would need to be verified in the case of st.johns. 5 december 2005
I would argue the above statement. Usally, American historians say that oldest settlement in north america is St.Augustine in Florida. However, St. Augustine wasnt founded until 1561, 64 years after St. John's. The St. Augustine wikipage, states that it is the oldest settlement in the USA, not North America. Bmpower 13:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
"24, 1497. His precise landing-place is a matter of much controversy, either Bonavista or St. John's. He went ashore to take possession of the land, and explored the coast for some time, probably departing on July 20. On the homeward voyage his sailors thought they were going too far north, so Cabot sailed a more southerly course, reaching Brittany instead of England. On August 6 he arrived back in Bristol.
The exact location of Cabot's first landfall is still unknown, because of lack of evidence. Many experts think it was on Cape Bonavista, Newfoundland, but others look for it in Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia, Labrador or Maine. We might never know the truth. His men may have been the first Europeans on either American continent since the Vikings: Christopher Columbus did not find the mainland until his third voyage, in 1498, and letters referring to a voyage by Amerigo Vespucci in 1497 are generally believed to have been forgeries or fabrications."
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cabot
If St.Johns was founded in 1497, then it should be clear that John Cabot landed there. However in the article, it's not stated as a fact. Therefore we should reconsider the date St.John's was founded. We should find when the first permanent settlers came to St.John's.
Plus I found this http://www.stjohns.ca/cityservices/archives/history.jsp
"The late sixteenth century saw the rise of Britain as a significant world naval power and with it, their dominant presence in the Newfoundland fishery, particularly in the area ranging from Cape Bonavista in the north to Cape Race in the south. St. John's recorded the first permanent settlers in this period with a family named Oxford establishing a plantation probably in the area west of Beck's Cove in the early 1600's. "
Therefore I think we should remove the line that says that St.Johns is the oldest settlement in North America.
I agree that the line should be reworded, it sounds like it was written by a middle school student. There were settlements in North America many thousands of years before either Newfoundland or St Augustine. It should be changed into the oldest British settlement in North America. St Augustine was officially established, and claimed by Spain in 1565. If Newfoundland was not chartered until 1583 then it was not an official city until after St Augustine. Just because ships were in ports in the area does not make it a city, there was not even a population there until the 17th century.:Chuggy 08:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] St. John's, Antigua
Why should St. John's redirect here and not to the capital of the independent state of Antigua and Barbuda? Ethnocentrism? Gerry Lynch 14:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Population? 203.148.251.155 10:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Oldest city in Canada?
According to Paul O'Neill, (The Oldest City: The Story of St. John's, Newfoundland, 2003, ISBN 0-9730271-2-6.), the city was established by Royal Charter of Queen Elizabeth I on August 5, 1583 and the first permanent settlers arrived in 1605. If anyone is going to change the article, please quote a reliable source. 152.1.111.242 17:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
From http://www.stjohns.ca/cityservices/archives/history.jsp
The late sixteenth century saw the rise of Britain as a significant world naval power and with it, their dominant presence in the Newfoundland fishery, particularly in the area ranging from Cape Bonavista in the north to Cape Race in the south. St. John's recorded the first permanent settlers in this period with a family named Oxford establishing a plantation probably in the area west of Beck's Cove in the early 1600's.
The first permanent settlers arrived in the early 1600's. until someone can show that they arrived before 1608, then we shouldn't say that St. John's is the oldest city.
Also, if St. John's is the oldest city in Canada, can anyone give us the date? I mean the city is allegedly older than 400 years old. In that case, there should have been celebrations for its 400th anniversay. Can anyone clarify? Officialy, how old is this city?
St. John's is not the oldest city in North America. Mexico city is.
[edit] "Most bars per square foot"
Per square foot of WHAT? This is a pseudo-statistic. What is the denominator used to calculate it? And where do other streets, in other cities, rank so that the originator of the statistic can conclude that "George Street has the most bars per square foot", whatever that means? Mathematically, it would seem to mean that George Street has small bars, and not much else.
- Please see my post on Talk:George Street, St. John's, though I am certainly not the originator of the sentence in question. AshleyMorton 02:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] United Irish Uprising
should there be any mention of the planned rebellion that occured during 1800 United Irish Uprising as a result of the wexford rebellion of 1798? it was small but of note
