Talk:Stephen Sondheim
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I found it a bit confusing that some of his works are in the text while others are in the list below. Should this get unified? Sebastian 03:07 Jan 25, 2003 (UTC)
- Made works list unified. This may be redundant, but I think the complete works list is beneficial. Minor works will be blurbed on the main page and not linked, I think. Dreamword 00:07 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Homosexuality never stated
Could someone please reinsert a section on Sonheim being homosexual, preferably with a source? He's listed in categories of gay musicians, LGBQ public figures, ectera - but it is NEVER mentioned in this version of the article. Thanks. Zakolantern 01:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bump on his head
What's with the bump on his head? It's pretty pronounced and I've done lots of searching and have found no answer except to find I'm not the only one to wonder.--Jhlynes 23:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Homosexuality
Is it really relevant to mention a highly questionnable hypothesis on the cause (if any could be found) of his homosexuality ??
[edit] Sotto voce?
I think that's really odd phrasing for one's sexuality. Any suggestions to change that? IvanP 14:35, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Directors on list of Major Works
I really think the list of major works should include the director. Harold Prince made a HUGE contribution to the shaping of those shows. Anyone object if I add it?
[edit] Picture
Definately needed in my opinion MikeyB! 19:22, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Foxy
Is it necessary to go into such detail about Foxy's alleged "sexually predatory" behaviour towards her son?
[edit] "Losing My Mind"
Did Liza Minelli's version of "Losing My Mind" ever hit the top 40 in the United States or Europe? I think it might have, which would mean that "Send In The Clowns" wouldn't be his only Top 40 hit. Can anyone verify that? ChrisLK 23:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- According to Liza Minelli#Hit Singles it reached #6 in UK in 1989 and #11 in US Dance charts footie 20:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Thanks! I think I'll change the "Send in the Clowns" thing then. ChrisLK 20:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Harmonic style
I have never heard someone's harmony described as being "angular" the way it is here: "He also displays a penchant for angular harmonies and intricate melodies..." Lush, dense, complex, open, etc., but how can harmony be angular? Is there a better word to use? Wspencer11 17:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV and fact tags
I did a little bit of work on this article; there are many unsourced quotes and statements that need sources. I also tried to work on the POV stuff, if anyone else wants to take a crack at it, feel free. It's a very detailed biographical study, and someone (or several people) obviously took great time and care in writing it, some of the language just needs to be toned down. Ckessler 03:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- The unsourced statements are definitely all from Meryl Secrest's biography of him from about 10 years ago.
[edit] ""Sond" means sound, or body of water"
"Sond" is not a German word.
[edit] "We don't know if this is really true," etc.
Don't these count as "weasel words?"
[edit] some random cites =
stuff about his mom being a bitch. She said her only regret in life was giving birth to him. http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0786412690&id=BfWyQ39xk0wC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&ots=nqequ0AxI0&dq=%22Stephen+Sondheim%22+biography&sig=GCsJh0C2fH3KsSbRM2NPwvmbl7o#PPA109,M1
[edit] Personal Life Beyond Childhood
It seems that fears about controversy have really done damage to this entry- there is virtually nothing regarding Sondheim's personal life beyond childhood, and even the details of his childhood are lacking. The facts of Sondheim's relationship with his mother may be disquieting, but they are well-referenced and confirmed by Sondheim himself, so there's hardly a worry about libel. Considering the fact that the most common criticism of Sondheim's output during the 70's and 80's was "coldness," I think his troubled childhood has real relevance to the article. What about his relationship with Mary Rodgers, which both have described as a major turning point in their lives? Or the fact that even though the two were close, Sondheim and Richard Rodgers couldn't stand each other? The complete skirting of the fact of Sondheim's open homosexuality is also more than odd. Sondheim gave a pretty open and revealing interview to the New York Times Magazine a few years ago and there have been other articles that spoke at some length of his long-term relationship with a younger composer (whose name escapes me at the moment.) They were together several years- if Sondheim were heterosexual and had married a long-term lover, especially one of note herself, that would be considered important and appropriate in a biographical entry. It should be considered appropriate in this case, too.
I'd put all of this stuff back in myself, but looking over the history and the talk pages, I feel it would br promptly removed. Could somebody explain why? This deserves real discussion! ChrisStansfield 06:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
