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Someone might want to replace the photo of Himmler with one of Thurmond. Yeah. [supergiraffe]

This page reeks of bias, and needs a good dose of NPOV. Don't have time to research him myself; perhaps someone else can. For example, his current party, office, and home state shouldn't be too hard to find. Wesley.

With regard to his mental state he still seems to be (reasonably) "with it" when he pulls himself together i have read. -- Paul Melville Austin

I wouldn't refer to the page as reeking of bias, but you have to take into consideration his recanting of the statements he made about segregation. Before you make ludicrous statements like the one above, make sure to research the politics of the man first, and then make your descision.--Longevitymonger

There's only 13 minutes left in June 26, 2003 and I don't see any evidence that he's dead yet. According to [1] he's weak but alert. Where does the info that he's dead come from? Nohat 02:48 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

See, for example [2], [3] --Camembert

Indeed. Please accept my apologies for doubt. I guess Google News is not as up-to-date as I imagined it was. I feel remiss in not mentioning the fact that we're arguing over someone's death, but given who we're talking about, I'll refrain. Nohat 03:02 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Not that it makes a difference in this case, but remember the number of minutes left in any day depends on where you are located.... In South Carolina, it'll be the 26th for another hour. -- Someone else 03:07 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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I noticed the change from the 1948 from nigger to negro... can someone check what was actually said? --Dante Alighieri 03:26 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I noticed too. I get 97 Google hits on negro, 18 on nigger. I wonder if [1] it wasn't clear what he said, or [2] it was clear and it's been "cleaned up" for publication.... -- Someone else 03:32 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

We need a better source than google... anyone got easy access to the Library of Congress or some other political archive? --Dante Alighieri 03:35 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I uploaded a clip of the speech in question to media:Strom_Thurmond_1948_Speech_Clip.mp3, from [4]. That's definately Strom, and he definately says 'nigger'. No revisionist P.C. history here; I'm changing it back. Kwertii 21:28 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Great detective work! I guess I'm not surprised that the majority of print media seemed to have "tidied" it up. -- Someone else 21:48 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

All that's missing from that website is the Munchkins singing "Ding, Dong...."! -- Someone else 21:53 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Actually he seems to be using the pronunciation "nigra", which was rather common at the time. It would have been rendered "negro" in writing, but it was certainly intended to be a slur.

MP3 files are not permitted on Wikipedia (and can no longer be uploaded), so I've replaced this with an Ogg/Vorbis file. --Gmaxwell 16:33, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

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I will presume that Mr. Thurmond died of old age and not of the Supreme Court sodomy ruling. This particular death had been joked about for months before it actually happened, and, had it occurred perhaps a couple of years ago, it would have upset the balance of political power in office. Rickyrab 17:26 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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In 1954 he became the only person ever to be elected to the Senate as a write-in candidate

What is a write-in candidate?

A candidate whose name does not appear on the ballot. Only under rare circumstances do enough people write the candidate's name on the ballot to let the person win. I think I remember something about a local election in which a write-in candidate won because one of the candidates on the ballot murdered the only other candidate, and was found out before election day.... Paullusmagnus 20:09 30 Jun 2003 (UTC)

The case in question was to the Tennessee State Senate several years ago (1998, I think), and yes, one candidate did murder the other, expecting to then win as the only one left on the ballot. However, an eyewitness placed him at the scene right before his opponent's murder, and as this became public well before the election, the dead man's widow ran as a write-in and won, but that was the Tennessee State Senate, and the article means that Strom Thurmond was the only U.S. Senator elected as write-in. (Also, the Tennessee law was then amended so that the name of a dead person could stay on the ballot in such a circumstances and the seat then be declared vacant and new elections scheduled in order to prevent the repetition of such an event.)

Rlquall 17:57, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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It said in the paper today that he was the father of a black girl in 1925 that he never publicly acknowledged although he paid for her college education .. her mom was a servant at his house. User:Karlwick

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I removed the following from the "quotes" section:

"Sen. Jim Jeffords made huge news when he switched political parties. Everyone was talking about it. Then it was pointed out that Strom Thurmond once switched parties. Apparently, years ago, Strom switched from the hunters to the gatherers." -- Conan O'Brien

Yes, this gave me a good chuckle, but if anything, this article should only include quotes by Thurmond. -- Minesweeper 03:20, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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There probably should be one of those Preceded-Succeeded by tables for him, like for most major politicians. I would put it in, but I don't really have the time to research everything.

Contents 1 Clarification? 2 Removed "aka"s 3 Longest-serving senator? 4 Lott controversy 5 Opening paragraph 6 Wasn't this man a racist? 7 Thurmond Quote 8 "Hard work" as SC governor 9 Controversy 9.1 Agreement 10 Elect him at 94? 11 Renouncing segregation 12 Dean of the United States Senate 13 Third party electoral votes 14 Date of death? 15 Link to Rev. Al Shaprton 16 Personal life / biographical information

[edit] Clarification?

The article says that Thurmond was a US Senator (Class 3). I wasn't sure what that meant so I followed the link, and found a list of South Carolina's senators, divided into Class 2 and Class 3 - and Thurmond is listed as Class 2. Can someone explain? DS 12:42, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This page a list of South Carolina's senators, divided into Class 2 and Class 3 also refered to the SC scession as "purported". I deleted "purported". I don't know what the 'class' reference means. Perhaps it refers to Senior and Junior senators? DJ Silverfish 03:24, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I know I'm talking to people who posted in April, but just for future reference, the Senate is divided into three classes. This has nothing to do with seniority or influence. It just means that the Senators from the same classes run for election/reelection in the same year. I believe class 1 is up again next year.

Thurmond was indeed Class 2 and I'll go ahead and change it.

[edit] Removed "aka"s

I removed two "aka's" on his name, which read "aka Stromboli aka Pastrami." If somebody can show me evidence he was ever called that, then it would be fine to mention it further down in the article, but not on his main name.

[edit] Longest-serving senator?

The opening paragraph claims Thurman was "the longest-serving senator ever", and the last Trivia item claims "Thurmond will hold the record for the longest serving senator for at least a while." I believe this is false. Carl T. Hayden served over 56 years; Thurmond served only 49. Thurmond was the oldest, but did not serve the longest. – Quadell ^(talk) 22:01, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Quadell: Hayden served in Congress for 56 years, but spent only 42 of those years in the Senate. He served in the House of Representatives from 1912-1927. Thurmond did, indeed, serve longer in the Senate than Hayden. Hope that clears things up. ----Heath 66.32.86.79 05:14, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lott controversy

I think this section should be removed from the article, as it has nothing to do with Mr. Thurmond other than the fact that a celebration of his 100th birthday was the venue for the comments. The controversy is properly covered on Trent Lott's page and need not be placed here as well. Indrian 18:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

• This comment has now been in place for twenty-four hours without response. I am therefore carrying out the removal of the aforementioned section. Indrian 19:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Indrian--I read the section you deleted and agree it was excessive. (I did not write it.) However, if you do not object, I think the controversy deserves a sentence or two in the Thurmond article, perhaps under trivia. --JChap 00:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opening paragraph

Someone should edit the opening paragraph of this article, it is clunky and hard to follow.

[edit] Wasn't this man a racist?

He was also a straightforward racist, for segregation and stuff like that.

No, this man was not a rascist. Like the South itself, this is a complex man who deserves better than simplistic terms like rascist. Yes, Thurmond did support segregation during his early senate career. However, he was also one of the most progressive governors the state has ever had on race relations. He supported both equality and segregation, which to his mind were not exclusive. In his senate career he also helped to fund South Carolina State (a historically black college), created a law school there, and made vast improvements to various predominately black areas of the state. With his own funds he set up a scholarship fund for African Americans. Last but not least, he carried on a love affair with a black woman who bore his first child, whom he supported for the rest of his life.ColonelDEH16:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

• ColonelDEH--The article's discussion of his governorship seems a little light. Since you know something about it, why not add a paragraph or two? --JChap 04:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks JChap, I would love to as soon as I get the time. ColonelDEH

Faveuncle 01:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)oh please - he did not carry on a "love affair" with Ms. William's mother. As a 25 year-old man, he had sex with a sixteen year old woman that, because she was black living amongst white racists, could not complain. For you to call it a romance is disgusting. Faveuncle 01:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)Faveuncle

I may be wrong, but I seriously doubt that you have done any reading or research on the subject. The fact is Ms. Williams was convinced that there were mutual feelings between her mother and father. We shall have to take her word for it. I find it interesting that you would jump to the conclusion that Thurmond took advantage of the lady. Why do you not think it possible that a white man and black woman could care for each other? That is truly disgusting. ColonelDEH 02:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

No actually we do not need to take Ms. Williams' word on it. Her testimony gives some credence to the hypothesis that her mother wasn't raped, but Ms. Williams also has a psychological investment in not belieiving that she is the child of rape. Ever heard of cognative dissonance? In any case, by today's standards Thurmond would be guilty of statutory rape. And if anything is truley disgusting it is the idea that one would allow sex between a minor and an adult who holds authority over her go unquestioned. GGRZW

GGRZW, I realize that this is a free forum of ideas, but we must all take responsibility for our words, even while we hide behind our user names. Charging a man, living or dead, with rape is a very serious accusation indeed. One should be absolutely sure of ones facts before libeling a man. At the time of the incident in question the age of consent was 14 in SC. Todays age of consent is 16 which means that rape did not occur by any standard. We should all, myself included, assume a more civil tone about the issue. Now, in reference to your cognitive dissonance argument, I suppose we could sit back and attempt to psychoanalyze the motives of everyone on Wikipedia and report the issues as we believe them to have happened, but I think that would be an infringement of Wikipedias no original research policy. All we can do, all any historian, editor, or reporter can do is report the facts as we know them. Again, I say that Ms. Williams reports that her mother spoke warmly of and to her father. She is, after all, the authority on the subject. Regards, ColonelDEH

Depends on what you mean by racist. If you define a racist as someone that uses race as an indicator to determine a person's abilities and where they should fit into society, then yes, obviously he was a racist for some period of time (how long he held these views I don't know). Remember 14:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Obviously, Thurmond did not take his professed belief in segregation seriously, inasmuch as an adult of 23 he had sex with a 15 year old black girl. Mr. Thurmond did not violate the statutory rape laws of SC at that time - it should be noted though that current SC law considers sex with a person between 14 and 16 years of age by someone 3 or more years older to be statutory rape.

Another issue is the issue of miscegenation and Ms. William's enforced bastardy - Mr. Thurmond's alleged "romantic" interest in Carrie Butler notwithstanding, the laws of the state of SC would have prevented Thurmond and Ms. Butler from marrying in SC, or living as husband and wife within the state. Thurmond's "family values" did not preclude Ms. Williams from having an absent, non-involved father - Ms. Williams did not ever meet Thurmond (and did not know he was white) until she was 16. For Ms. Williams, her real papa was a rolling stone.

Some people posting here are of the opinion that Thurmond was an honorable man. The facts easily support an entirely opposite opinion.Faveuncle 03:21, 30 May 2006 (UTC)Faveuncle

[edit] Thurmond Quote

I have changed the Thurmond quote to read 'nigra', which is what can be heard on the audio clip in question, instead of 'nigger'. These are in fact two very different words. 'Nigger' is a derogatory term and always has been. The word 'nigra' was used in South Carolina for decades in much the same way that one woud have used the word 'colored', the speaker generally meant no harm by the use of the term, regardless of how it may sound to us today. It is possible that Thurmond did intend to use the word 'nigger', but slured the word thanks to his thick Edgefield accent. However, Thurmonds first daughter, Essie Mae Washington Williams, reports in her book Dear Senator that she confronted Thurmond directly when she heard about his speech. According to Williams, Thurmond was genuinly upset that she would think he would have used the word at all, much less in public. I will not go so far as to remove the quote because it is a very famous example of southern attitudes towards desegregation. However, in the interest of keeping an objective POV, perhaps this quote could be balanced by another from his progressive period as governor. I will do a little research and report back on the issue.ColonelDEH 16:25, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

sure, he was SO progressive that he kept his black daughter a secret all his life. gimme a break. Snottily 17:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see the connection between Thurmonds choice in handling this personal matter and his politics while he held the governors post. The historical facts are that Thurmond worked to end the abominable practice of lynching, put an end to the Barnwell ring, and spoke out in favor of federal help for blacks. But, of course, the facts are ignored in favor of a more comfortable point of view. This is called historical revisionism, and it is wrong. However, it does make it easier to paint the world in black and white (excuse the pun). If we can immediately write people like Thurmond off as a rascist we don't have to confront the fact that a man can earnestly believe in both segregation and equality. ColonelDEH 02:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Even given white South Carolina's history of the slave trade, the widespread murder of the freedmen during Reconstruction, and hundreds of lynchings during the Jim Crow era, it's still laughable revisionism (more like fiction) to try to paint Thurmond as a racial progressive. And obviously Thurmond did not believe in segregation - he had sex with at least one black teenager - hello!Faveuncle 04:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)Faveuncle

Faveuncle, I would thank you to kindly refrain from insulting the honor of an entire state and her sons and daughters. At the very least you could use facts instead of your own additions to history. SC did participate in the slave trade, as did every other state on the east coast. NYC sold far more slaves than Charleston ever did. I have no idea what "widespread murder of the freedmen" you refer to. SC had no major violence during reconstruction. Carolinians were all, black and white, far too concerned with repairing their homes after the invasion and occupation to go about on rampages. I would also like to know where you got the information that there were "hundreds of lynchings". The few lynchings that did occur were always huge news and usually prompted a swift response from neighbors and the authorities. Just who is guilty of historical revisionism? As I have said here before, if we can simply write off an entire state or region as being hateful, bigoted, and violent we don't have to confront the fact that a man can hold views that are not popular and yet still mean well. It also makes it easier to justify the invasion and occupation of Americans by Americans, but that is another subject. ColonelDEH

In 1860, blacks in South Carolina outnumbered whites almost 3 to 2. In fact, did you know that South Carolina was majority black from the late 1600s until the 1930 Census? So maybe Colonel, the invasion you find so problematic was an attempt by a free and decent people to help another people free themselves from the tyranny of a violent minority that held them as chattel? But I digress...

In my comments, Colonel, perhaps I was not clear, but I am only referring to most, not all, white South Carolinians. White South Carolinians were actually a minority in the state, nowhere near the "entire state" population. Since so many black people come from the slave markets and plantations of South Carolina, I certainly have in no way insulted the majority of people who can call South Carolina their ancestral home. I do wonder how black folks feel about the "honor" of white South Carolinians, but once again, I digress.

Finally, I am sorry, Colonel, but I'll not assist you in your whitewashing and twisting of history. I'll leave it to you to find whatever "honor" you can in the many slave rapists, segregationists, lynchmobbers, Kluxers, and the like that called South Carolina home. My lynching number was indeed high - "only" around 156 blacks lynched by white mobs were recorded in SC from 1880 until the 1930s - "only" 3 a year. Perhaps it was only a few hundred (or maybe a few thousand) blacks that were slaughtered with complete impunity by whites between 1865 and the "end" of Reconstruction in 1876, perhaps that is not widespread violence, but to me it seems like a good start... Faveuncle 07:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)Faveuncle

• Slate had a good article on this controversy here: [5] The article comes down on the side of "nigra" and I think the edit should remain unless someone finds a source for changing it to "nigger." --JChap 03:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Anonymous editors keep changing "nigra" to "nigger" in the quote without references or edit summaries. If you think, based on sources and not on original research, that the quote should be "nigger," please provide your sources here. --JChap 15:48, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand if it's people who are hard of hearing or cannot accept what Thurmond said. Listen to the video clip. It's not "nigra" he's saying, it's "nigger," and it's clear as day..and why would anyone take Thrumond's word for it(including his daughter)?

• Slate's article, not his daughter, comes down on the side of "nigra." Just listening to the tape is original research and it is not appropriate to include your independent analysis of it in the article --JChap 03:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

• Someone should tell wikipedia about your revisionism around the word "nigra" - they have it as a pejorative term - in the context Thurmond was using it, there ain't a dimes worth of difference between "nigra" and "nigger". I listened to the recording - sounds like "nigger" to me, but I'll defer to your hairsplitting. Faveuncle 04:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)Faveuncle
  • This is about the article and about sourcing, not about Thurmond. Look at the rest of my edits on this page. I think you'll agree they're solid. --JChap 05:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
  • BTW, I agree with you that it's perjorative and have never said otherwise. --JChap 17:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

You're right, it was the Colonel who thinks "nigra" is a respectful term. 207.101.64.178 18:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Faveuncle

Whatever the word, nigra, nigger, negro. this man was abominable. A convinced racist not above dipping his 'wick' in 'forbidden' genitalia. the same old story, slave owner mentality exercising his 'god given right' to terrorise the hattie carolls of this world. at least zanzinger was coherent, he just despised them & despatched them with a blow from his rebel cane. how a cretin like this can hold a revered position in the US political tradition speaks volumes. I hope he never finds mercy in his bone-filled grave. macmaghnusa

I have always heard it as "nigger", and every time I see it played on TV, they usually have a caption sidebar, which has always, in my experience, said "nigger"198.209.24.140

[edit] "Hard work" as SC governor

A sentence in the "Early life" section of the article states:

"Running as a Democrat, Thurmond was elected Governor of South Carolina in 1947 and worked hard to preserve the state's existing segregation laws."

Unless someone wants to provide evidence that Thurmond's service as governor was particularly arduous I plan to change the above to "...supported preserving..."

Excellent edit. Wikipedia as a whole could do with a more official tone.

[edit] Controversy

The controversy section states that Williams "broke a long agreement" by revealing that she was Thurmonds daughter. There never was any sort of agreement between Thurmond and Williams,or any one else, to conceal the fact. Williams did not come forward out of consideration for her fathers career and standing in the state. Nor did Thurmond say anything about his daughter. If no one can provide evidence that there was an agreement of some sort, I will reword the sentence in question.ColonelDEH 18:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Googling "thurmond williams agreement" will yield stories on numerous reputable news sources (such as USA Today and Fox News) mentioning such an agreement. --JChap 05:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, the articles (those from reputable sources) seem to contradict themselves. For example, the Fox News article states that Williams said she did not come forward out of respect for her father, hoewever her lawyer said that there was indeed an agreement between parties. Williams reports in her autobiography that the situation was never explicitly discussed with her father. Furthermore, no one but Strom knew of Williams existance untill much later in the senators life. Any thoughts JChap? Thanks for the tip, ColonelDEH

Read the transcript of her 60 Minutes interview, linked from her Wikipedia article, where she denies there was any agreement. --JChap 05:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Agreement

Williams denies there was an agreement. Apparently, in the first press conference after the story broke, her lawyer said there was one. Because I cannot find a reference to Williams ever saying there was an agreement, I think its probable that the lawyer got his facts wrong and that she never told him there was an agreement. I have edited the article accordingly. If someone finds evidence that she told her lawyer that there was an agreement, but later changed her story, please add this to the article.

I also added the fact that Thurmond made secret payments to her.

All of the foregoing are sourced in the article. --JChap 02:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Strom Thurmond's Infamous Quote

I cannot get the 'nigger race' quote to play. It just tries to download it onto my computer? Has any got any ideas how to fix this. I've got this to work before but it doesn't play now.

finnophile

[edit] Elect him at 94?

How dumb is SC to elect a 94 year old man to the senate? I'm a republican but too much is too much. Weatherman90 04:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

So...the elderly are unfit for public service, not really americans, incompetent? What are you trying to say? At 94 Thurmond, who was very health conscious about his diet and exercise regimen, was in better shape than most 70 year olds. If a man's mental health is fine, why should it matter to you his age or physical condition? Maybe you would see the disabled as too weak to serve as politicians too? By the way, Joh C. Calhoun's last adress was delivered by a surrogate speaker while he looked on from a wheel chair, yet it is one of the most insightful and influential works in our national history. Maybe SC was dumb to elect him? (Please note the sarcasm dripping from these words, as Calhoun was one of the three greatest senators and America's only political scientist with an original thought.)As, to your opinion that SC is "dumb", what other state of that size and population do you know of that has had as much influence on American history? I honestly dont think one can compare.

Oh, calm down. It's a fair point to ask whether it's wise to elect someone who in all probability will not survive his term. However, it's speculative and irrelevant to the article, I think. But as long as we're being childish... it's not so much South Carolina was "dumb" as the U.S. has a system which more heavily favors incumbents the longer they've been in office. So that 94 year old Thurmond got elected proves the system is "dumb," not (necessarily) the people of SC. User:Mycroft7

[edit] Renouncing segregation

Timothy Noah, to my knowledge, didn't follow Thurmond everywhere in the last decades of his life, so unless he quotes Thurmond saying "segregation forever," his assertion that Thurmond never renounced segregation is just his opinion. All he comes up with are some comments in which Thurmond regrets talking race, but doesn't regret taking up a fight in which race was involved. That's what the wording I've put in the first paragraph reflects. Gazpacho 09:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Your argument seems to rely on the fact that it is technically impossible (or at least very difficult) to prove a negative. And, looking at the article, Noah is more careful than I was when I made that edit he said that Thurmond "never publicly repudiated segregation," leaving open the possibility that he made a private comment to Lott (whom you seem to be referencing as a source in your edit summary). I shall change what you refer to as "the wrong version" accordingly. JChap2007 15:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

What Thurmond said is worth more than someone's speculations about what he didn't say (or do). I've noted what he said, and the relevance of segregation. I don't really understand why you're so attached to the previous wording. Gazpacho 21:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not "attached" to any wording in particular. You may look at my efforts to stop edits that would have quoted Thurmond as using the term "nigger" rather than "nigra" in his "troops in the army" speech if you're worried that I'm on some anti-Strom jag.

What I do support is the inclusion of information from reliable sources. Are you really denying that Slate is such a source? Thurmond was a public figure whose public remarks were widely reported on. His speeches in the Senate were reprinted in the Congressional Record. There were ample primary sources from which Noah could draw his conclusion, so I don't think describing it as "speculation" is accurate.

On the other hand, and trying to think about this with an open mind, I actually like your wording better in the introduction. I'm now thinking it would be better to discuss this as part of his later career and contrast it to his support for the King holiday and extending the Voting Rights Act. JChap2007 22:21, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dean of the United States Senate

Would it maybe be better to include information about Thurmond being dean further down in the article, under "Later career"? From the Wikipedia article about it,

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This is not an actual position in the United States Senate and has not been used in everyday language.

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It just doesn't seem that significant. JChap2007 23:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

strom thurmond's corpse, huh? way to go wikipedia

[edit] Third party electoral votes

Moving this comment down from above the talk page contents:

Yeah, Strom Thurmond was most certainly not the first third party candidate to get electoral votes since Theodore Roosevelt, as is stated in the first paragraph of this article. Indeed, Robert LaFollette got 13 electoral votes in 1924. election of 1924 Someone braver than I who knows how to properly work this site should edit the article to reflect that.--Ranger 1 04:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

At the moment it states he was "the only third party presidential candidate to receive electoral votes since Theodore Roosevelt in 1912." Libertarian Theodora Nathalia Nathan would seem to be one exception. Шизомби 16:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

List_of_unsuccessful_United_States_Presidential_candidates_who_received_at_least_one_electoral_vote Шизомби 02:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Nathan's single electoral vote was the result of faithless electors, not electoral votes earned when a candidate carried a state's popular vote. There have been other examples of this kind of abberation in the electoral college system. Robert LaFollette, Thurmond and George Wallace all earned electoral votes by carrying states. Thurmond and Wallace were to a certain extent regional campaigns. Also John B. Anderson in 1980 and Ross Perot (in both runs) earned a larger percentage of the total vote than Thurmond, although their votes were not sufficiently concentrated in a single state to carry any electoral votes.

DJ Silverfish 03:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Date of death?

Pardon me, but is the date of Thurman's death correct? CNN.com lists it as being in December, unlike the page here, which indicates June 26, 2003. http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/26/thurmond.obit/index.html

[edit] Link to Rev. Al Shaprton

• Information regarding the possible link between the two needs to be added.

Currently waiting for the facts to come in. --Lincoln F. Stern 20:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Even if there is a link, i'm mot sure that it is noteworthy enough to mention. After all, this doesn't directly concern either Sharpton or Thurmond. It concerns their ancesters, and I don't think we should go around adding every ancient family link between people on Wikipedia.

[edit] Personal life / biographical information

I'd like to see more biographical information - since his illegitimate daughter is listed, it's especially of interest when he was married to each of his two previous wives, and when he had other children. --zandperl 11:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)