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Contents 1 Table 2 Sept 2006/ October 2006 recent edits 3 Clean up 4 Technical Content

[edit] Table

For crying out loud don't have an edit war over the table you idiots. As you may have gathered there is an AMA series (all US rounds, inc Daytona) and a world series (2 Canadian rounds, and every us round except daytona) for that last 3 years. One of you lot is going to have to create a table for US supercross championships and a separate one for World supercross championships - this is the fault of the AMA, FIM, Clear Channel, Dorna, etc, etc debate (ending in court) 3 years ago. Pickle 17:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I think we've sorted the championship(s) results section now ... ??? Pickle 18:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sept 2006/ October 2006 recent edits

Just a note to say i disagree with he recent edits for not offering worldview, etc and when I've some time I'll re write and rephrase large parts of this article Pickle 12:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up

Bit by bit, I'm trying to clean up this article. My main emphasis right now is on eliminating non-encyclopedic language and breaking it up into sections. This will take a while, so if things seem out of order for a while, I kindly ask that you assist with this effort rather than reverting my edits. Thanks! Gregmg 19:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll try and join in when I've some time. I've got some issues with the current version, as it describes to the North American audience the concept, etc fairly well, but to a European there are "issues" (ie WP Worldview). Pickle 16:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Technical Content

Hi, I have removed this highly technical content because it is inappropriate for the average, nontechnical reader. If you all believe it worthy of inclusion, please introduce it in a more explained way. I have also edited some sections for grammar and flow. Xiphoris 04:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Starting in 2006, displacement was removed from any class designations to remove confusion that had arisen from the fact that over the past few years more people rode 450cc four-stroke bikes than 250cc two-strokes in the races, and in the supercross season of 2006 there averaged less than one two-stroke 250 per main event. This was due to a rule change which allowed for the new four-stroke bikes to be used. Following their first use around 2002, the testing, research and development has made these machines substantially superior to their two-stroke counterparts. For more details see, "Information at AMA Motocross" in External Links.

This paragraph is extremely confusing. What's "displacement"? What's a "class designation"? What confusion arose over the two types of bikes? Why would there be fewer 250cc bikes in a main event? This paragraph is just thoroughly confusing; while it might make sense to some readers who already know a lot about Motocross, it is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Xiphoris 04:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we need to find a way to include this, but I agree, as written it would be a bit confusing for someone unfamiliar with motorcycles. The longstanding break-down between 125cc and 250cc in Supercross racing deserves mention, as do the new class naming conventions. Gregmg 05:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

What is not made clear here is that in the US (AMA) / World (FIM) Supercross championship, the classes which were titled 125cc and 250cc were changed to Lites and Supercross. Its important to note that this was because of the confusing situation of fourstrokes, which were recently (last 5-8 years) allowed to compete on a different basis - ie 250cc 4T in the 125cc 2T class and 450cc 4T in the 250cc 2T class. now thats very technical information, but it is necessary to convey. it took me a long time to get the wording right in the motocross article. There change is controversial, and there is a deeper subtext to this, was/is it right to put 125cc 2Ts against the 250cc 4Ts (and the 250s & 450s)..... --Pickle 14:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I've reinserted the text in question, with a number of modifications. The class desiginations are quite important to this article and should be included. I agree that it might be a bit technical for the uninitiated, since this is an encyclopedia, we should be willing to take on the challenge of explaining it. If others can explain Einstein's theory of relativity, we can surely explain engine displacement and racing classes. Gregmg 19:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, IMHO its a good choice of words wihtout being too technical Pickle 20:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)