Talk:Supernatural (TV series)

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Contents 1 Possible recurring joke? 2 Music Listing Necessary? 3 Possible reference to The Simpsons 4 Possible reference to Ghostbusters 5 Running Time 6 Trivia 7 Australian season 1 release 8 Recurring characters 9 The Demon 10 Eric Kripke wikilink 11 International Section 12 Super-wiki: Link to an extremely comprehensive Supernatural resource site 13 Official site 14 TWoP link? 15 clothing 16 When citations are necessary 17 Metallicar

[edit] Possible recurring joke?

In the episode "Plaything," the brothers are mistaken for gay lovers. I seem to recall this happening in one or two previous episodes. If this is a recurring joke, perhaps it could be worked into the article. Briham 02:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

In the episode "Something Wicked," the hotel managers son offers them a king size bed. However, I'm not sure if two times is reacurring; it's really more of a shoutout to the fans, (there are several in Playthings)wether said fans are Wincest shippers or just like the running gag. I'd think, if they pull that card 3 times on the show, it could be a notable occurance, but not twice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.37.228.132 (talk) 04:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

• The 'gay' insinuation has been brought up three times now, "Bugs" where the developer stated that they 'accept home owners of any race, colour, religion or sexual orientation'. Minutes later a realtor says the same thing which Dean plays along to slaping Sam on the ass and calling him 'honey'. In "Something Wicked" the kid looks at Dean then at Sam and offers 'a king or two queens?', Dean says two queens, the kid replies sure but it's obvious what he thinks their sleeping arrangements are. And in "Playthings" the hotel manager and butler guy believe them to be lovers. Dean wonders why that keeps happening, Sam tells him that he is kinda butch and that he might be over compensating. It is definitely a recurring theme, and I'm sure Eric Kripke knows that there is a strong following for Wincest (Winchester incest) but I don't think that there is much that could really be included in the article other than say 'the brothers are often mistaken for lovers' but it's not really realvent to the overall story. Unless Eric says something in an interview specifically about it, it's not worth including it. Firelement85 14:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd forgotten about"Bugs"...yes, it's been used 3 times, but like it was said above, I don't know if it's mention-worthy. It's mostly relevant in the Wincest Fanfiction world.

• I think it is a recurring joke, but hardly worth mentioning in this article. —simpatico ^talk 02:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music Listing Necessary?

The songs listed have no real bearing here in the encyclopedia. They would possibly be more suited to a fansite of this now (possibly canned) show.

I am removing the section and I hope if someone leaps into the fray to add it back that they can at least provide adequate reasoning as to how informative it actually is and why it should actually be there. 65.145.212.61 23:58, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible reference to The Simpsons

In the first season of Supernatural (TV Series) in the episode "Something Wicked," the character Dean gives a list of towns that have been terrorized by a Shtriga. I am not devoted to the Simpsons enough to know for sure, but I believe the list was a reference to the list of towns who have built monorails in the Marge vs. the Monorail episode of The Simpsons. One of the towns mentioned is "West Haverbrook." Can anyone confirm or deny this? Andrewdoane 17:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

In the Simpsons, it was North Haverbrook that had a monorail built in it.dbalsdon 21:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

The towns sam mentions "Ogdenville, North Haverbrook" are both from the simpsons episode, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_vs._the_Monorail —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.44.208.14 (talk) 16:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Possible reference to Ghostbusters

If I recall correctly, in the first season episode "Hell House," the two ghost investigators are named Winston and Zeddemore, a reference to Winston Zeddemore from Ghostbusters. Later on, as a diversion, Dean yells "Who you gonna call?" which is, again, a Ghostbusters reference.

Yes, these were clearly references to Ghostbusters.--Lyon-Ard the Lorekeeper 22:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Running Time

Under running time, it clearly says 60 minutes (per episode plus commercials). Shouldn't it be including commercials? Doesn't plus infer that the commercials haven't been added yet? This is a semantic bit that I've never fully grasped.

I think it means in comparison to the "without commercials" description, though I have edited it slightly to read with commercials as yeah, that could confuse people. Bronzey 07:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

I removed the following items:

The name "Mary-Ann Liu" appears at least twice on props in the show, once on Sam's cell phone listing in "Scarecrow" and once on a birth certificate Sam is examining in "Salvation." This may be a shout-out to Vancouver artist and production designer Mary-Ann Liu, though it is at this point unconfirmed whether she has worked on the show.

The surname "Winchester" could be a reference to the firearms manufacturer, as well as the Winchester mansion.

These are not verified. If you'd like to include them, please provide a reference and we can put them back.--CPitt76 01:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The whole trivia section needs a serious clean-up. It's now the bulk of the article, which is clearly out of whack with Wiki guidelines on avoiding trivia in articles. We should be working to work trivia into the fabric of the article, migrate the information to other articles, or remove it altogether as fancruft. Anything non-obvious and unsourced would be prime candidates to delete. - Debuskjt 13:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I worked all the trivia into the article and added uncites where necessary. Some of it went into the merged section on Dean's car. Some of it was applicable to production notes. Some was added to the backstory. But most of it was episodic trivia, so I just migrated it all to the episode summaries in the episode list (where the stuff really belonged to start with, IMO). All of the trivia was moved, none of it was deleted. - Debuskjt 16:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australian season 1 release

I'm not sure if other people have noticed or not but the release date for season 1 in Australia seems to be the 6th of September not the 13th. I have seen places advertising both dates does anyone have an explanation for this. I haven't changed the date in the article thinking that maybe the 13th is the official release or something. 203.28.231.34 15:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I bought the season 1 box set yesterday but I'm not sure when it was release. When I get some time I'll fill out the list of region 4 dvd special features, although I havn't investigated I suspect it to be the same as the US dvd's. Hang on I've just read that all extras were removed, I'll have to check it.Spec ops commando 14:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recurring characters

Apparently there exists the beginnings of an edit war over whether or not Nicki Aycox (Meg) and Adrianne Palicki (Jessica) qualify as recurring characters. According to the definition given on the wikilinked page, I'd say Nicki Meg, yes, Jessica (two episodes), no. Thoughts? -Shannernanner 07:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• I've added in Ash, who will definitely be a recurring character this season along with Jo and Ellen, all of whom will be showing up in multiple (3+) episodes this season. But I agree that Jessica doesn't count as recurring. —simpatico ^hi 19:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Demon

From the symbol John drew in 'In My Time of Dying' people have worked out the identiy of THE demon, although this hasn't been confimed yet from Kripke and probably won't be for a while it is quite a sure thing. Should information about this be added and where given its high spoiler nature? --203.28.231.34 12:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Unless you can quote a reputable source you shouldn't add it anyway, per WP:CITE. Fan speculation isn't encyclopediac. - Debuskjt 18:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eric Kripke wikilink

I fail to see the point, and citing policy as a blanket defense is condescending. From Wikipedia:Red link:

• "Sometimes it is useful to create a red link to indicate that an article will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic because it is about an important, verifiable subject."

It's been a red Wikilink within this article for many, many months, and it's unlikely someone creating a Kripke article wouldn't come here to link it. Unless someone has immediate plans to do so? - Debuskjt 19:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

No need to be defensive. For a biographical article on a notable person, it's general policy not to delink the name. Shannernanner 20:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Where is that stated? Notability itself isn't even a Wiki policy. - Debuskjt 20:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. I created a stub article for Eric Kripke.

[edit] International Section

This section is becoming far too big and has almost no relevance to the show, something needs to be done about it, either condensing it or removing it altogether. Thoughts? Naomi 203.28.231.34 12:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. It's pertinent information. International distribution is part of pretty much every television article on Wiki. If you want to see a section that is long, look at the international section of Veronica Mars. - Debuskjt 17:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

If it is so important to have the International section and it is too long, give it it's own page with a link to it. What harm can come of that? Meraculas 20:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you, if the list gets substantial enough and has enough additional information to warrant a separate article, but a list of less than twenty individual channels? In just sheer vertical length, the international section is the second shortest in the article (not counting episodes, since it directs to a rather lengthy article). Doing that now would be premature, and probably just result in an AfD that led to the content being merged back into this article. - Debuskjt 20:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Super-wiki: Link to an extremely comprehensive Supernatural resource site

I was going to add this link to the EL list, but after reading the no more links note, I guess I'll put it here for your consideration: Super-wiki

This is a jaw-droppingly comprehensive research and analysis site that I think would be a good resource for people looking for extremely detailed information about this show. While technically a (very well-organized) fan-run site, I think it would be a worthwhile link to include in the list as a "for more information" kind of thing. If consensus disagrees, I'll just leave the link here in the discussion, but I do think it would be a worthy addition. —simpatico ^hi 19:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

It looks good to me. Shannernanner 03:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I have no issues. One good fan site isn't against Wiki policy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Debuskjt (talk • contribs) 12:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC).

I'm going to go ahead and add it. Shannernanner 13:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Official site

The official site according to the CW official site is the Warner Brothers official site. Please don't change the link in the infobox, as it is correct. Thanks. Shannernanner 08:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TWoP link?

After seeing the link addition advisory, I chose to be safe rather than sorry. How about adding the recaps link from Television Without Pity? — ArkansasTraveler 16:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Recaps are available in the TV.com links of each of the individual episode articles. - Debuskjt 19:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

While this may be true, TWoP recaps are generally more detailed or longer. Not saying they're better, but a different perspective. — ArkansasTraveler 21:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• I would be all for adding a link to the TWOP recaps. It is a very popular site, respected by on the internet and within the television industry itself (it has been referenced on several television shows and many cast and crew have been known to post in its forums) and its very detailed recaps are written by professional, paid writers. If TV.com is considered legitimate, TWOP should definitely deserve a link. —simpatico ^talk 04:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] clothing

Is it really neccessary to go into detail on what Sam and Dean wear?

*I don't think so. There is way too much of Dean's article that goes into every little bit of What Dean weras, and use to wear. A bit much. Syri 22:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)Syri

[edit] When citations are necessary

I've just removed several citations that were either unneeded or weren't clear in what they were referencing. If it was shown on the show itself (such as the license plate number or the fact that the car has been "featured prominently") there is no need to cite that information. If this is information you would not get from watching the show or the DVDs, then it should be cited. See Wikipedia: When to cite sources for more on this. —simpatico ^talk 04:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Metallicar

Would "Metallicar" really be considered a neologism? (I see that the reference to it was removed as such.) It is a name, not a word, and its use is nearly universal among fans. It would be one thing to refer to the Impala directly as "Metallicar" in the article, but I think simply noting that this is how the car is referred to in the Supernatural community would not be out of bounds. —simpatico ^talk 06:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

A noun is still a word; in this instance it's a word invented by a fandom. The problem is that the use of a neologism like Metallicar skirt the bounds of notability. Wiki is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and you're going to have a hard time finding reliable sources supporting the usage of Metallicar beyond Supernatural fandom (and particularly one that doesn't count as WP:OR) until someone like Eric Kripke defines it. Remember that the information in the Supernatural articles are generally verifiable through primary sources: interviews or the show itself. Metallicar is just some made up word on the Internet with nothing backing it up for inclusion in an encyclopedia. I understand that fans fill pretty strongly about things like that, but things like "Metallicar" are really the domain of fan sites like Super-wiki, which is linked from the Supernatural article. - Debuskjt 00:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. :) —simpatico ^talk 00:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)