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164.83.229.20, why did you take out the qualification about some Ashkenazi groups wearing talitot from 13?MOE37x3 18:22, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

From what I know, the toga was a distinctively roman piece of clothing, so I changed the paragraph that said it was of Greek origin. If I'm wrong, please correct me. --222.13.236.80 12:40, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Hebrew 2 Historical Section 3 Some thoughts 4 Reform Judaism 5 Masculine or Feminine Word? 6 the diferance between wool and cotton

[edit] Hebrew

The two Hebrew words in parentheses, given with different transliterations, are in fact the same word, vowel points and all.Benami 08:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

fixz0r3d! Tomer^talk 05:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Historical Section

The material given here is interesting, but no sources are cited. The author who has contributed here writes a bit too informally and in too personal a style for an encyclopedia, with sentences like, "There is much confusion among the masses." Would someone care to rewrite? Could the author provide some sources, beyond biblical references. --Metzenberg 11:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some thoughts

I replaced the former photo of a rabbi with a tallit. I thought it was confusing, since it was a Sukkot photo with the four species as well, but explaining sukkot and what he has in his hands is really beyond the scope here. In it's place, I added the photo of men wearing tallitot at the wall.

I must say, all the discussion of pronunciation is a bit too technical. Is it really part of the scope of this article? In practice, I find that the Ashkenazi Hebrew (or Yiddish) still gets used a lot, sometimes in almost an ironic or funny way. People say "tallises" in the worst Yinglish even though they know better, the way they say "yontiff" or "shabbus". Would anybody have a problem with making this more informal?

[edit] Reform Judaism

Section doesn't seem to have anything to do with the status of the tallit (by either gender) in Reform Judaism. Section seems to be solely about the Women of the Wall (presented in a non-NPOV way) What does this specific group have to do with the general subject Tallit, or Tallit within Reform Judaism. If the section is relevant it's not current -- the Israeli Supreme Court issued a ruling.

[edit] Masculine or Feminine Word?

Tallitot appears feminine, and Tallaisim appears masculine. What is the noun's gender?

--Jndrline 18:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The word talléth was feminine with -oth in plural in Mediaeval Sephardi Hebrew and masculine with -im in plural in Mediaeval Ashkenazi Hebrew. In modern Israeli Hebrew, the word is generally considered feminine, but in the two expressions tallit gadol and tallit katan, the masculine endings of Mediaeval Ashkenaz are kept. In modern Sephardi Hebrew, usage varies between the traditional tallét gedolá and tallét ketanná and the standard Israeli tallít gadól and tallít katán. -- Olve 21:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Such a complete and well-rounded answer. I suspected that they retained their gender according to whichever pronunciation was being used, but I had never heard of such a thing, so I assumed it might have had something to do with a Yiddish-ism.

My question actually came up with the examples you gave of a tallis katan - someone said tallitot katanot, and it completely threw me. I had never heard any adjectives applied to the object, and so I had never thought to ask the question until this person put it in plural. I figured the answer might prove one of the ethnic pronounciations more "correct" over the other; I'm glad it doesn't. Good to know. Thanks again.

--Jndrline

[edit] the diferance between wool and cotton

is there a halachik diferance between wool and cotton? if someone can put it up (with all opinions) it would be great

1st, remember to sign all comments with 4~. 2nd, the difference is that, by halachoh, only wool and linen garments need to have Tzitzis. See The Alter Rebbe's siddur. Thats why, to be mehader the mitzvoh, you should wear wool or linen tzitzis and tallis. Shaul avrom 19:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Any other sources for this? (I don’t have that siddur and cannot access it from this part of Norway.) It is clearly not the general understanding of the miṣvá... -- Olve 15:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)