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Contents 1 Tien 2 Incorrection 3 tenshinhan or krillin 4 Third Eye 5 Pictures 6 Dissemination

[edit] Tien

Can someone make Tien redirect to this page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buster Sword (talk • contribs).

Already done, seems to be a while ago. --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 00:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrection

this page is incorrect.The book Dragon ball dayzenshuu 7 published in Japan france and Canada by Akira Toriyama says Tenshinhan is an alien and belongs to the race of three eyes or Triclops.

The game for PS2 DBZ Budokai tenkaichi in the biographies says the same.Victtorio 16:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)Victtorio

Those are pretty far from cannonical sources. For now, let's put that in the trivia if you want to add it. (Keep in mind that, in the manga, Tien also isn't the first warrior with the ability to divide himself, Purple Ninja can do the same). Beowulph 23:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

For me is very clear you never read dragon ball dayzenshuu 7 where Toriyama explains the difference between Tenshinhan technique and krilin piccolo or purple ninja body divisions and because of that Toriyama and his team gave different names for that techniques.Look, in the other wikipedias like japanese french or portuguese this situation is very well explained only in the english this regrettable situation happens. Probably you don t know french or japanese,but if you don´t believe me i have the book and i can give you the link of the original french version and you can check it,then you will see the alien condition of Tenshinhan is a fact in Japan and Europe, i am trying to give to the american fanbase the true.However the decision is yours. Dayzenshuu 7 is the only book where akira toriyama states everything he couldn t put in the manga for different reasons and he writes an introduction explaining that.In any part of manga or anime says Tenshinhan is human.But to add that in the trivia is a start.Thank you,i wait your answer..Victtorio 01:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)Victtorio

Well,i saw your correction in trivia,it is obvious you refuse the introduction (made by Akira toriyama )and the several parts (like alien races in dragon ball/alien races on earth,the explanation of tenshinhan techniques)of daizenshuu 7 where they say very directly tenshinhan is an alien. For you are only suggestions.Ok,but remember this is the only wikipedia or country where Tenshinhan is considered an human all the others Japan and Europe and respective wikipedias say tenshinhan is an alien.A good day for you Victtorio 14:06, 16 July 2006 (UTC)Victtorio

• Toriyama didn't write the Daizenshû himself, but he has read it, enjoyed it, and he approved the book for release. We also know that he himself wrote some paragraphs in the book. Thus it's a canonical source. However we can wonder how the "tenshinhan is an extraterrestrial" thing was really usefull, as it has never been brought forth in the manga. But since Gokû's tail makes him an extraterrestrial, why couldn't Tenshinhan's 3rd eye make him alien also ? And the manga didn't specifically state that Ten' was a human. Thus the alien explanation is at least coherent and it should be mentionned in the infobox, at least in the form "human/alien". Folken de Fanel 18:54, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Why the debate? I tried my best to word it in a way to say that it's true that it says that, but not nescessarily that it's actually true...

The Budokai PS2 game says that Tenshinhan comes from an unknown alien race, hence his third eye and ability to divide himself. So Victtorio is right. It also says that Chaozu is some sort of Vampire, and not human. Hakkinen 15:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes but it's not because it was written in a lower canonical source that is not dumb. Well, "get over it" yourself, in the manga, Ten' was always a human and Toriyama never said anything about Ten being an "alien". As for Chaozu, he was never labelled as a "vampire" in the original work (and honestly, he really doesn't look like a vampire).

So while there are these strange theories in lower canon source, they're not always relevent, and if they deserve to be mentionned in the article, they must not interfere with the rest of the article, which is mainly based on the original manga, in which Ten' is a human. Folken de Fanel 16:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Right. So does Daizenshuu book 7 count as a "lower canon source" as well? Hakkinen 10:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Eh, just leave it like it is with a note in trivia. The manga and anime never say anything about him (and Chaozu) not being human. Abnormal humans, but this is a world that is governed by a talking humanoid dog. Shapeshifting animal people are natives. Goku was excepted as an odd boy with a tail and not pegged as monster or alien because animal/people hybrids exist on Toriyama's Earth. Onikage725

[edit] tenshinhan or krillin

Who is stronger krillin or tenshinhan please support your opinions with evidence. User:Kami-Sama

I would say that Kuririn is stronger. Yamucha once stated that Kuririn was the strongest human being in the universe. So its only logical that Kuririn is stronger than tien. But then again, you cant really trust yamucha can ya?-SSJ Gokan 00:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Tenshinhan is actually stronger than Kuririn, though it may not seem like it because he never gets to show his strength. I would class Tenshinhan the second strongest human after Uub.

There is no evidence either way. Please keep opinions out of the article. Beowulph 11:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I think Kuririn is the strongest human from the sayian saga to the cell saga, but he stopped traning somtime before the Buu saga and Tenshinhan continued to train. Meaning Tien would be the strongest human by the end of DragonBall Z. --Solid Fox 23:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Third Eye

Does anyone know why Tenshinhan has three eyes if he's a human? I mean, the thing blinks and everything. Sasuke-kun27 17:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

It says in the beggining, he's likely based off of the God Erlang Shen from Journey to the West. As for why in the Dragon Ball universe, that's never explained. Beowulph 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. It's just wierd how a human has three eyes. Then again, you have aliens who look like humans with tails and can change into giant apes by looking at a full moon. Sasuke-kun27 18:19, 23 August 2006 (UTc)

haha--138.88.90.164 09:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

In the ps2 game Tenchikai Budokai his bio says Tein has a third eye because he is of alien desent. --Solid Fox 23:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I thought he said it was because he'd reahed enlightenment. I guess not.-SSJ Gokan 11:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The kanji characters of Tenshinhan (天津飯) probably do not mean, as stated, "Heaven's Moisted Rice"; Instead 天津 is a city in China (TianJin) and probably 天津飯 means "rice cooked in TianJin style"

wHAT THAT MEAN?

that third eye scares me. but then again you have a gum creature that can turn people into candy, and a white and purple creature that can destroy a planet with one tap of his finger, and machines desgined to look like humans, and a weird bug creature that can absorb people through his tail, and a weird alien that can switch bodies with people who is currently a frog, and a dragon that can turn into mist who was cut in half and sealed into 2 pale elves with mohawks, too.

[edit] Pictures

Fine, explain why they should stay. Please try to make it not pointless. Nemu 18:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Keep it civil Nemu. I personally believe it adds value and does not go over previously set limits for the amount of pictures per article. If you do not, and we can't reach a consensus then the best course of action would be to take it to the Wikiproject for a vote. Beowulph 18:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The fair use policy only says we should use images to illustrate things that need to be. These pictures are here for the sake of being here, and serve no illustrational purpose. The limit only applies to pictures that serve a purpose. That's why most articles no longer have the pictures that the use to have. Nemu 18:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Really? It looks to me like it has roughly the same amount as the Goku, Vegeta, Freeza and Cell articles, not to mention the one on Buu. I would argue against their not serving any illustrating purpose, as they mostly show events that are definitive for the character.

Tell me, do we have a definition for what constitutes illustrating purpose? A new set limit on the number of pictures per article? Is there a policy I can refer to? Beowulph 18:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

If you didn't notice, all besides Freeza illustrate different looks of a character or an example of an attack (which is why I left them here). A picture has to show something being described. We don't need to see random events. Those are decorative. Nemu 18:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Pictures of different looks, and special attacks, are alright, but not specific moments? The pictures in question do show something being described in the text and one of the ones that you wanted to initially erase was a special attack. Regardless, can you provide me with the link that states that policy? Beowulph 18:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:FU says "The material must contribute significantly to the article (e.g. identify the subject of an article, or specifically illustrate relevant points or sections within the text) and must not serve a purely decorative purpose."

Different looks of a character over a series are pretty helpful. Goku could probably use that GT group picture to cut them down a bit, but otherwise they illustrate the points(and the transformations are a pretty important part of the series). Random scenes do not. I guess attacks probably should also be removed. While it is sort of subjective, no one has ever gone against me for too long while clearing out other articles, so the general consensus seems to be that they don't help. Nemu 19:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Tell you what, there seems to be a pretty major revision going on at the Dragon Ball project. If it can be passed that each saga/movie article gets a characters section, this article can probably be distributed into them and removed entirely. Can we hold off until a decision is made there? Beowulph 15:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dissemination

I'm starting to disperse the information on this page to the various saga pages, I think it can likely be made into a redirect to the List of Earthlings article. Beowulph 15:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)