Talk:Terry Nichols
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[edit] Abu Sayyaf
"The western parts of Mindanao were, at the time, the site of an Abu Sayyaf stronghold." - this information is utterly irrelevant until an actual connection is established between Terry Nichols and Abu Sayyaf. The fact that he made calls to a boarding house that sometimes contained residents from a region...and that that region was sometimes home to group...is not sufficient evidence of connection to that group. Mindanao also contained: Catholics, McDonalds restaurants, brothels, sporting associations, etc. Terry Nichols can be just as convincingly linked to any of these groups. Further, using the same "six degrees of separation" standards, Nichols can be "linked" to any existing terrorist group on Earth. For instance, did he once call a hotel that had a few Peruvian employees? Well, Peru is home to the Shining Path guerrillas - better add that to the article, too!
If irrelevant information like "the western parts of Mindanao were, at the time, the site of an Abu Sayyaf stronghold" reappears in the article, I will simply add information on all of the other things that the western parts of Mindanao contain. I will also add information on every terrorist/political/religious group that resided in any other part of any other country whose residents once may have had any contact with any person who may have had any contact with Terry Nichols. For instance, If Terry Nichols once made a phone call to a home or a boarding house or a hotel or a business that had an El Salvadoran resident/employee/owner, I will list all of the terrorist groups that have existed in El Salvador. If it had a Catholic resident, I will list all of the extremist/terrorist groups associated with the Catholic church. If it once had an Italian resident, all groups associated with Italy. If he once was driven in a taxi by someone who resided in a house where another person resided who was from Mexico, and that Mexican guy's father-in-law's barber once called someone who was from Japan, I will add information about Aum Shinrikyo. All of this would have equal relevance to the article. So, until a real and direct connection is established between Terry Nichols and a member of Abu Sayyaf, please keep that irrelevant stuff out of the article. 66.195.208.108 03:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Extraordinary Claims
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," and a citation is needed for all the stuff about possible meetings between McVeigh and Islamic terror groups. I've seen this crap peddled before, and it has no credibility. Credible sources need to be added, or this "information" (read: misleading speculation) must be removed.
[edit] Error
The main article has an error in it. It says that Wes Lane was the one who made the decision not to prosecute McVeigh. That is rather strange given that McVeigh died on June 11, 2001. Lane took office on July 1, 2001. That decision was for both men was made by the person who was the Oklahoma Country District Attorney before Lane, Bob Macy. (I am actually suprised that Macy does not have a Wikipedia article given his importance in Oklahoma. Wow there is none for Joyce Gilchrist either.) In any event, someone might want to spend the time to make the article clearer in these respects. [This was posted on April 1, 2005 by the person (i.e. me) who later became user MichaelSH.
[edit] Wikipedia Bug?
This history page indicates the last edit to the Terry Nichols article was on "5 October 2005" though when I look at "my contributions" is see me edit of "15 October 2005" listed. The change I made is currently reflected in the article. (I removed the clause that was a rant that Lane did not press state charges against McVeigh. McVeigh was dead before Lane took office.) I have hit reload to see if that fixed it and and this is the second day which I see the problem. MichaelSH 04:22, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Note also that additional evidence of bomb making was faound in Nichols Decker, Michigan Farm a year or two ago. - I need a wikipedia account
[edit] Terry Nichols
Did he like guns? shit yeah. Did he like taxes? Hell no. Did he hate collectivism? Damn straight. Would he argue that it was the right of a property owner to plant land mines on his front lawn in a urban neightborhood if he wanted to? Yes. Ergo he was a libertarian. 132.241.245.49 03:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- If you can support, with references, Nichols position on all of these issues I would certainly agree with you.
Monkeyman(talk) 03:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Earlier I sent a message
Earlier I sent a message - editing the main page - I was too harsh, the American people are not dumb ( weel some are but..) mostly they are uneducated and mislead. The particulars of explosives aren't, and have no reason to be, in their range of knowledge. But an article about Nichols should be weel enough researched to include the facts that farm fertilizer doesn't make a bomb without considerable pre-processing - way beyond a non-professional lab. Nichols may have been involved in OK but agr fertilizer is bogus - as is most of this article. 10:48, 28 February 2006 159.105.80.224
