Talk:The Girl from Ipanema

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Feel free to mercilessly edit my bad Portuguese translation. My feelings won't be (too) hurt. -- Cecropia | Talk 17:57, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

I moved this to include the word "The", because it's part of the song's title. Same as we do with TV shows like The Office or movies like The Incredibles. - Vague | Rant 03:54, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 References? 2 Drunk? 3 Lawsuit 4 Lyrics removed. 5 Oy

[edit] References?

Sources-template and unreferenced claims removed from article since nobody has reacted to very so far. -- gr8boy, 20 sep 2006.

I added the sources-template due to the following unreferenced claims in the article:

.. "considered the best-known bossa nova song ever written"... By whom? Not very NPOV. .. "often claimed to be the second-most recorded popular song in history"... Where? By whom? .. "Though the writers and their estates have made millions in royalties from the song, Helô never made a penny from it."... Source? .. "When she tried to open a clothing boutique with the name "The Girl from Ipanema" she was sued by the heirs to co-writers Antonio Carlos Jobim and Vinicius de Moraes, and she was forced to change the name of her shop."... Source?

And so on, and so on....

-- gr8boy, 5 Sep 2006.

"It is often claimed to be the second-most recorded popular song in history" ...I have tried to find a source to verify this claim - but without success. Without a source does this not constitute a weasel word/term? - gr8boy, 29 Aug 2006.

Someone inserted this text:

==References==

-*McGowan, Chris and Pessanha, Ricardo. "The Brazilian Sound: Samba, Bossa Nova and the Popular

Music of Brazil." 1998. 2nd edition. Temple University Press. ISBN 1-56639-545-3

And someone else reverted it right back out again. Why? Is it not a valid source of reference material?

(I don't know; but the action seems curious.)

Atlant 14:34, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If you take a look at the User Contributions of the person who put in the reference, you can see that he/she has listed the printed book and external links to the book's website in practically every article related to Brazilian music.

I can see two immediate objections to this: first it reeks of commercial promotion, and second, there is no evidence that the book was in fact used as a reference for these articles. The citation was slapped on to the articles after the content. As I understand it, a reference citation means that some factual information in the article was explicitly based on the cited reference, and that's simply not true in most of these cases.

That said, I agree that McGowan's book is a good reference on Brazilian music, so I've let them stay. -- Paul Richter 02:30, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer! As I implied, I have no specific opinion on either the insertion or the deletion; it just struck me as curious.

Atlant 13:27, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Drunk?

i've never read Revelação: a verdadeira Garota de Ipanema but a brazilian relative once told me that Vinicius de Moraes was sitting on the beach, tanked, when Heloísa Eneida Menezes Paes Pinto walked by, and he started telling tom jobim the words. same relative told me Heloísa wasn't all that attractive. i can't put that in the article but if anyone can find support i'd appreciate it. it's a pretty funny story. Streamless 19:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

You can find pictures of her, both then and now, on the web. Your story isn't true (unless Brazilians have a much different concept of beuaty than I), and I'm not drunk. -- Cecropia 21:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

it's not my story. it's a rumor; i just want to know if anyone else has heard it. Streamless 13:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lawsuit

In 2001, Pinheiro, who had opened a jewelry and clothing boutique called Garota de Ipanema, was sued by Jobim and Moraes' heirs, who argued that she had no right to use the copyrighted phrase. She argued in response that Jobim and Moraes, while alive, had always allowed her to freely use the label. She also suggested that Jobim's widow was jealous of her. I've been unable to find any news on the resolution of the case. Anybody know anything? Fan1967 00:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lyrics removed.

The entire lyrics from any song that remains under copyright cannot be reprinted without the express permission of the publishing company which owns the rights to that song. Songs are copyrighted independently of any recordigns of said songs, and reprinting the lyrics in the entirety violates copyright. "Fair use" could only be claimed through the quoting of a small, short passage from the lyrics. --FuriousFreddy 19:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oy

This article is kind of a mess, especially the "Background" and "Myth" sections. They repeat each other more than once, and there are myths in the "Background" section but not the "Myth" section. While I'm not tagging the article with {{cleanup}}, somebody should seriously clean it up. -- Kicking222 14:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Those sections had me quite confused for a while. And perhaps the myth should be mentioned in the introduction? However, forgive me for not doing it myself. 69.146.30.219 00:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)