Talk:The Manchurian Candidate (1962 film)

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Contents 1 Dispute 2 Why Manchurian Candidate? 3 Merkels' edit 4 "Eugenie Rose" is "red queen" in French? 5 Acclaim 6 Links 7 Oswald speculation 8 Film noir 9 A trivia section? 10 Supposed 2007 film version 11 Banned ? 12 References during the early "nightmare" sequence 13 Trotsky murder "parallells" 14 Which interrogation sequences were the rough cuts?

[edit] Dispute

This article should be about the REAL Manchurian Candidates from the Korean War, not the film. 70.125.43.99 17:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that the movie Zoolander is sort of based on The Manchurian Candidate?

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Sayeth the article:

The film attempts to adapt itself to the modern world by having the brainwashing conducted by Manchurian Global, a multinational corporation based closely on Halliburton.

How is Manchurian Global "based closely" on Halliburton? If someone believes this, can you provide some evidence for this alleged similarity? Otherwise I'll remove the Halliburton reference in the interests of NPOV. Neilc 19:37, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Why Manchurian Candidate?

Why is it called The Manchurian Candidate?

In the original, it was because the brainwashing was performed in Manchuria by Red Chinese scientists with the involvement of Soviet Russia.

In the remake, it was simply to keep the same name, and the story devices had to be changed to fit the name (!). - Keith D. Tyler ¶ [AMA] 00:44, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merkels' edit

I dispute the relevance of Robert Merkel's recent edit, taking out some of the text explaining what a "Manchurian candidate" means, and replacing it with a statement about its scientific impossiblility. This edit doesn't serve the relevance of the article to its subject matter; it makes sense to explain the movie's version of the world, and makes less sense to launch into a short diatribe of the movie's divergece from current theory. That discussion belongs in Brainwashing. We don't, for example, add such comments to the article for every movie or cartoon that entertains "fuzzy physics".

Keith D. Tyler ¶ [AMA] 00:42, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Eugenie Rose" is "red queen" in French?

My French isn't that good, but isn't red queen "reine rouge" in French? — Bash 07:47, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes. "Rose" means "pink." And Eugenie doesn't mean anything — it's a name which Eugenie shares with a French empress from the 19th century (a very conservative one, BTW, see Eugénie de Montijo). john k 05:11, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

The name "Eugenia" (of which "Eugenie" is a variant) is derived from a Greek word meaning "well-born". — Diamantina 03:53, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Acclaim

This sentence didn't seem to make sense: The film won acclaim for its political themes and the exploration of the connection between the far left and far right in cold war America. (Presumably Iselin is meant to be "far right" here.) But the "far left" connection was a plot twist in the movie, not a reflection of some event "in cold war America." Bluey 13:09, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

The novel—and its plot—was a satire. To some extent, Frankenheimer followed.--Buckboard 07:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

Removed an external link; it contained very little about the film. The other links are better. Bluey 16:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oswald speculation

It seems to me that this is speculation and should be removed, or at least the source for the claim that Oswald passed by the theater every day while it was playing for four weeks should be substantiated:

Only recently has it been established that, in 1962, Lee Harvey Oswald daily walked past a downtown Dallas movie theater where the film played for four weeks, November 14 to December 12. This raises the very real possibility that he saw it or was otherwise influenced by it. Ironically, the theater was on Elm Street, the same street on which President Kennedy was assassinated by Oswald one year later (see Oswald's Trigger Films).

--babbage 22:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Film noir

Is it ? It's not what I think of as film noir.

-- Beardo 07:29, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A trivia section?

Shouldn't there be a trivia section? The "Eugenie Rose" in-joke and the various references in other films/books/etcetera would fit there.

• There shouldn't be. Trivia sections are discouraged, on the grounds that the information there is either important enough to be organized under their own sections, or the information is, well, too trivial to be included. If you look at the movie articles to become featured articles- Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Halloween (film), all have done away with their trivia sections. CanadianCaesar Cæsar is turn’d to hear 22:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Supposed 2007 film version

There was a heading for a 2007 film, with a single unsourced line saying that there might be. It was spurious, so I cut it. --TallulahBelle 17:14, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Banned ?

This has just been added to the category banned films. It is not clear that it should be.

Roger Ebert says "The film has become so linked with the Kennedy assassination that a legend has grown up around it. Frank Sinatra, the film's star, purchased the rights and kept it out of release from 1964 until 1988, and the story goes that he was inspired by remorse after Kennedy's death. In fact, the director John Frankenheimer told me, Sinatra had a dispute with United Artists about the profits, and decided it would earn no money for the studio or anyone else. The DVD includes a conversation by Sinatra, Frankenheimer and writer George Axelrod, taped when the movie was finally re-released. Sinatra says it was the high point of his acting career; nobody mentions why it was unseen for 24 years." http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031207/REVIEWS08/40802006/1023

-- Beardo 21:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Banned in other countries, it seems. -- Beardo 13:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References during the early "nightmare" sequence

It should be mentioned somewhere in the text whether any of the references on brainwashing and hypnotism that are cited in the scene are real. I'm guessing they're not, in which case we can simply say so in a single sentence; however, if they are, then it might be worthwhile to have a small section discussing this. I came to the article tonight in part to see whether there was any mention one way or the other. For example, Khigh Deigh's character says that it's a myth that hypnotized subjects cannot be trained to betray their consciences, but I was always told it was true; I'd have liked to see a mention here. --Lawikitejana 00:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trotsky murder "parallells"

I'm removing the Trotsky section in a while if there are no objections. Mercader was not brainwashed and didn't gun down his mother instead of his intended target either. Unless someone can show that Condon made an intentional reference to the murder of Trotsky it's just a vaguely similar event.--Sus scrofa 03:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Which interrogation sequences were the rough cuts?

In the Trivia sub-section it mentions that "The famous interrogation sequences in the film are the rough cuts". There are many scenes in which people are being interrogated. It is possible to narrow down to which ones this is a reference to?