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I've just removed a lot of text that was the same as that on this page. If anyone really does have the rights to it, let us know... -- Oliver P. 06:23 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 The Article 2 Hockey Mask 3 true story? 4 It's Phony 5 Page move 6 Gunnar Hansen researching at an institution? 7 Screen Caps? 8 Rewrite the plot 9 Chainsaw/Chain Saw 10 film's rating 11 Relationships 12 Poster 13 Trivia reorganisation 14 Ed Gein 15 Rv unsourced statement 16 Summer School

[edit] The Article

Someone has moved and removed bits and peices from around this article. As i dont know what it should look like i can't be sure of it being properly restored. Could someone who had a hand in making it in the first place please look over it. LordFenix 03:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hockey Mask

I'd like to know where the hockey mask depiction of the chainsaw murderer came from. Because as far as I can see, it must have been from this film, yet Leatherface doesn't wear a hockey mask.

Why do you assume it comes from this film? As far as I'm aware, the first hockey-masked killer in movies was Jason Voorhees, who first donned the mask in Friday the 13th Part 3. Pearce.duncan 02:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

And even with that sorted with Jason has never used a chainsaw in any of the films (His imposter Roy was attacked with one though). The look probably comes from a pop culture mix of the two film series. Jamesbuc

[edit] true story?

The film's opening title suggests that it's fact-based, much like the titles at the beginning of Fargo (movie) and Last House on the Left. Can it be verified that this opening title is as bogus as on the other movies?

[edit] It's Phony

Yes, it's phony. Check out Snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/movies/films/chainsaw.asp

However though, whats that footage of 2 cops walking through the basement in the 2003 version and "leatherface" comes out and attacks them?

are you an idiot.....seriously..........they made that for the film to make it scarier, have you ever seen it before the movie?

[edit] Page move

The correct title of the original film spells "Chain Saw" (two words). The sequels are spelt "Chainsaw" (one word). The JPS 13:13, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Strangely, the image doesn't reflect that. It would be great if it did. Imdb has one http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/49/18/70/10f.jpg

[edit] Gunnar Hansen researching at an institution?

Does anybody have any citation for the bit in the trivia section stating that Gunnar Hansen did research for the role of Leatherface by visiting a mental institution? It's a pretty remarkable factoid if it's true. (I've added a citation needed tag to the sentence in the article.) MrBook 19:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

DVD Bonus Commentary says he visited a institution for the retarded. Sorry for blunt statement - is there a way to say that PC? Ratagonia 03:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Screen Caps?

Maybe this article should have some pictures from the film??? I mean it's a long article for one film, and it needs some screen caps, anyone want to donate some, to make the article better? Jackp 07:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite the plot

someone seriously needs to consider re-writting the plot, I mean half of the sentences are tiny, the structure of them is hideous, I don't mean to criticise anyone (as JPD seems to think), I just think you need to how to write something before you go ahead and do it! Jackp 11:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you atempt to make what you see as improvements rather than criticising others' work in quasi-abusive terms? The JPS^{talk to me} 11:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

JPD, will you just get off my back....you always seem to have something to say every time I edit something. Why don't you just back off a little bit!! Jackp 06:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the above is a total of two, actually. Hardly 'everytime'. I'm merely advising you as it seems you need some coaching due to the conflicts on other articles during your short time here. BTW, it isn't a good idea to change your original message if someone was replied to it (other than typos). The JPS^{talk to me} 13:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC) (P.S. It's JPS)

Did Jerry live? When Leatherface hits him, he falls to the floor, then Leatherface puts the girl back in the freezer. But when he turns around again, Jerry's gone. Then, when the main girl escapes in the truck, it looks like Jerry's driveing. I've gotten into debates with my friends over this a lot, and we still can't decide rather he gets killed or not. I personally think he lived.

[edit] Chainsaw/Chain Saw

Article says "Chain Saw"...poster says "Chainsaw"...clarification, please?

The article itself has clarification. Many posters and even now DVD covers go for the compound. The official title for the first, 1974 film is two words. The JPS^{talk to me} 20:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] film's rating

Tobe Hooper intended to make the movie for a "G" rating, (in 1973/1974 there was only G, R, and X ratings on films) by keeping violence moderate and language mild...

I removed the statements from the article regarding the films rating due to factual inaccuracies. In 1973/74 the ratings available where G, PG, R, and X, thus the above statement is inaccurate when it claims that G was the only lower rating before R. Also, I highly doubt Tobe Hooper expected his film to receive a G rating though maybe a PG rating. Regardless, any statement about what rating he thought his film would get should be sourced. --Cab88 19:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

He intended to get a PG rating, according to the trivia section on IMDb.

[edit] Relationships

Just a couple of questions regarding the relationships of various characters...

• wasn't it Franklin's father rather than his grandfather that owned the rundown house that they visited first? I could be misremembering but I'm sure he said "father".
• it says in the plot write-up that the old man is the hitchhiker's and chainsaw-wielder's father, but I'm sure I've read elsewhere that they're brothers. Anybody?

Chris 19:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Right, having watched the interviews on the DVD, Tobe Hooper confirms that the gas-station attendant, Leatherface and the hitchhiker are brothers and that "grandpa" is actually their father, so I'll change the text to reflect this.

Can't remember if he mentioned Franklin & Sally's relative, though.
—Chris (blather • contribs) 18:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poster

Why was the original poster image replaced in the infobox? AdamSmithee 08:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Because, there is really no need for two of the same images in the one article (I’m talking about the 2006 Ultimate edition). Please stop re-adding the DVD cover in the info box, as it should stay under “DVD release”, since that is the topic of the image. The original poster for any film belongs in the infobox, leave it there. The DVD cover fits perfectly under "DVD release", why don't you try and figure out why! Jfp-24 11:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia reorganisation

Any particular reason for the changes to the trivia section? I thought it was okay the way it was, and think it's more difficult to follow in its current form, and I don't understand why the following paragraphs have been deleted:

Edwin Neal (who played the hitch-hiker) said of the dinner scene, "Filming that scene was the worst time of my life... and I had been in Vietnam, with people trying to kill me, so I guess that shows how bad it was." He also said that he might kill director Tobe Hooper if he ever saw him again.

A Cue Card is showing in the background with the name "Edwin" sketched on it during the Grandpa feeding scene.

The new text has also introduced quite a lot of spelling and typographical errors which it would've been helpful to have fixed prior to submission. I've sorted some of them out but there's still more cleaning up that needs to be done.

-- Chris (blather • contribs) 13:03, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Postscript: Thanks to Merbabu for sorting it out by backing out the changes and identifying the actual author. After looking at Jackp's talk page, all becomes clear.

-- Chris (blather • contribs) 14:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ed Gein

In the "Connection to actual events" portion of the wikipedia article concerning The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, the article states:

"The film, like the films Psycho, Deranged and The Silence of the Lambs, was loosely inspired by Ed Gein. Gein did wear human skin, but he acted alone and did not use a chainsaw. Although the film's opening would have one believe that the events are factual, it is merely a scare tactic, called the false document technique, to frighten the audience. Libraries in Burkburnett, Texas and nearby Wichita Falls regularly receive requests for copies of newspaper articles related to the false actual events. [5]"

However, in the commentary on the The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Special Edition) DVD released on October 14, 2003, by the studio Geneon, Tobe Hooper said that he actually hadn't found out about Ed Gein until several years after the film was released; that people simply assumed it was loosely inspired by Ed Gein. I don't have an exact quote, because I do not currently have the movie at my disposal, but I think it deserves some discussion, and probably a correction. Thoughts?

69.215.235.245 03:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Just watching it now. No, he says it is based on Ed Gein, but that he did not remember the NAME until a few years later. Ratagonia 03:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Tobe also made reference to wanting to create a whole family of Ed Geins.--CyberGhostface 04:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rv unsourced statement

Hello everybody! I've just reverted (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Texas_Chain_Saw_Massacre&diff=109809238&oldid=109621099) a quite old unsourced statement about the film having been banned in Romania. The problem with this statement is that at the time was under a communist regime with a strong censorship, which wouldn't allow showing quite a few foreign movies (except, of course, movies made in Eastern European countries). So in a way, yes, this film was banned, but maybe not explicitly, and if we put this label on a movie, we also might want to put it on almost every American and Western European movie made between 1945 & 1989).

Then I took a look at this guy's contributions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/203.96.99.124 : 6 of them were immediately reverted as vandalistic nonsense, another unsourced statement about a supposedly based film in NZ: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banned_films&diff=prev&oldid=23657616 generated soon questions: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banned_films&diff=next&oldid=23758904 and denial: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banned_films&diff=next&oldid=25116607 and was eventually reverted: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banned_films&diff=prev&oldid=78012278 so this left this last statement... that weighed a lot to this user's credibility... Moreover, this person came from NZ, so I doubt they were familiar with Romanian issues... --Vlad|-> 14:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Summer School

There's a scene in the movie Summer School that shows the class watching the Texas Chain Saw Massacre in class. This should go in the trivia section, but there isn;t a place for it. - Im.a.lumberjack 23:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

How is this relevant?? I mean, you'd figure that a movie as iconic as Texas Chain Saw is bound to get tons of shout outs and references and whatnot. We don't need to record them all.--CyberGhostface 01:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)