Talk:The View (band)

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There's more information to come here and the entry is growing to the point it should have History etc. sections. I'll do it as/when I have time if nobody else does. As the band are just now gaining national attention, the page is likely to be accessed more frequently. I've been a user and occasional Wikipedia contributor for a few years - but I'm not an expert by any means. Feel free to improve on any of my efforts or to discuss things here. --Citizensmith 23:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

More history added and split into sections--Citizensmith 23:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Way too long 2 Image Copyright Problems 3 Future singles claim 4 Anyone know what age the guys in the view are? 5 Recently Changed "Singles" Edit 6 Lead Singers Cocaine Possession Conviction

[edit] Way too long

This page is massively overlong for such an unknown band. It seems to have been compiled by someone with an interest in the success of the group --80.41.227.205 02:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The band are about to have their second top-20 hit (number 10 on Monday chart update). They topped the Scottish sales charts. They're signed to SONY-BMG. They've twice topped the MTV2/NME video charts. They feature in NME almost every week. They were at T in The Park, Reading and Leeds Festivals. They've just sold out the London Astoria. They've just completed an MTV Gonzo tour. Their 30 min set went out live on Radio 1 at 7:30pm. They are even on Jools Holland in a couple of weeks. They're not exactly an "unknown band" any more!Citizensmith 16:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Um...we don't need a detailed itinary here, just a biography. There is so much irrelevant, superfluous crap in this entry it is unreal. Wikipedia is not a promotional tool. --80.41.227.205 01:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

If you don't like the band, don't read the page. I don't think anyone is using it as a promotional tool, rather it is information which people want to know; thus making it relevant.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.49.225.121 (talk) 15:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Calm down, man. It's not a matter of liking the band, but half that stuff is completely pointless. There's a header for each tour they went on, a note for every appearance, and small information about small venues they played at before they went big. This isn't The Story of The View, just an overview/biography. If you want to put such detail, write an fanpage. But Wikipedia isn't an outlet for every minute detail. Especially when the band hasn't even been around for two years yet.Slayer425 19:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

The article does have a of headings/subheadings which make it look longer than it is. It would shrink considerably if rewritten as just long paragraphs in large sections as many other articles are formatted. I think the article reads better in its current form though but that's personal opinion. The only two "small" venues mentioned are The BayView (their name came from that as does the oft quoted "scooter incident" and so merits inclusion) and The Doghouse which perhaps has a comparable relationship with The View as the Happy Mondays/Hacienda or The Beatles/Hamburg, and the band can still be found in there when in Dundee - both socially and performing unannounced. It's not a "before they went big" relationship. Note the Christmas gig pic from less than 2 months ago, the current single video filmed there and new Yahoo USA feature What They Like Q&A just to give a few examples. I'll admit the major appearances section in particular has just grown and there is scope for some pruning of the entry as a whole but I can think of far more detailed articles with far more trivia (often multiple distinct separate article lists!) than this one. Citizensmith 19:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image Copyright Problems

The original promo photo image used on this page has been deleted by user User_talk:Betacommand as invalid fair use. However this is disputed. See discussion on their talk page. I have replaced this image with one taken by myself, which I have immediate access to, while this is sorted. If anyone has a better image they took themselves or can get written permission from 1965 Records to feature promo shot images in a manner that will satisfy Wikipedia copyright extremists then please do so. Hopefully a better image will be back soon.Citizensmith 13:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I've now cropped and sharpened the image so that it's not too bad considering the conditions it was taken under (camera phone held high from the crowd) and, on the plus side, I suppose it does illustrate the band at a large venue.Citizensmith 15:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Future singles claim

Removed "Dance Into The Night and Face For The Radio are scheduled to be the last releases from the album next year." as no verification. Citizensmith 16:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anyone know what age the guys in the view are?

They look about 12! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.153.243.62 (talk) 22:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

Yes, they generally look younger than they are. Ages of all either 19 or 20. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Citizensmith (talk • contribs) 23:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Recently Changed "Singles" Edit

I really don't see much point in adding the B-sides of the singles themselves to the "Singles" section, as far as I know they weren't double-A sides and i have NEVER seen an article before where the b-sides are listed that way. I won't revert because I'm not a fan of this Deletionist Crap but I also think it looks stupid. Just a comment.--SteelersFan UK06 15:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. RedTreddersCompainion any comments? Thanks for the creation of the articles though. It's just the singles listings that are confusing. By the way I think there is a Double A-side single scheduled for the future and it would be appropriate on that.Citizensmith 15:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

hi, there are no double a-sides released by the band, however, i would think that people would know what song is on the a side and which is on the b side if i worte them in that format (a side/b side), much like it is used on the The Beatles Discography page for their singles ((eg. All You need is Love/Baby Youre a Rich Man)). --RedTreddersCompainion 16:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. I still think that this format is misleading and looks like the band have released double-A sides. Most articles have just the single in that box. How about a comprimise, of having the single name and then the B-side below it in a smaller font, or something? The details would still be there, only with a distinguish between the two/three songs.--SteelersFan UK06 19:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lead Singers Cocaine Possession Conviction

Firstly, Kyle Falconer, the lead singer of the band has been convicted for possession of Cocaine at Dundee Sheriff Court (See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/6412105.stm). In addition, it states in the article that the band "made their first trip to the USA, in January 2007, playing dates in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles". As far as I knew the band had to cancel the eight-date tour of the U.S. as the singers charges for possession of a Class A drug where pending. The source I give above confirms this. In addition the source previously given as supporting the mini tour of the U.S. leads to the bands upcoming tour dates page. This does not confirm that they toured the U.S. as the article implies. I will remove the statement that the band toured the U.S. and the reference for this, add something about the pending charges being the cause of the cancellation of the mini tour, and a small piece about the singers conviction. Malbolge 22:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The band most certainly did complete the January tour. You can find reviews of it on the web. I'll post some links if you can't find them.Citizensmith 22:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[EDIT] Here's one [1] and another New York Times linkCitizensmith 23:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Forgot to add that the reference to the bands upcoming tour dates you mention above also lists all past dates played (including the Jan US dates if you scroll down. Citizensmith 23:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)