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Contents 1 "Supper club?" 2 Sadly? 3 Oklahoma City Drillers 4 Recording contract by 30? 5 Keith's Recent Awards 6 Dixie Chicks 7 Illiteracy 8 Number 1 of ? 9 Needs editing 10 Fixed singles chart 11 Lawsuit 12 Radio & Records

[edit] "Supper club?"

What the hell is a "supper club"? Any of you rednecks care to explain?

[edit] Sadly?

"The album sadly spent 65 weeks on the top-10 Billboard Country Albums chart." Removing "sadly"

[edit] Oklahoma City Drillers

Were the Oklahoma City Drillers a USFL team? I don't think so. I believe the USFL team from Oklahoma was the Outlaws (who merged with the Arizona Wranglers and became the Arizona Outlaws). I know Toby did play semi-pro football, but I don't think he ever played professional football. The USFL, while a step below the NFL, was professional, not semi-pro. He even mentions playing semi-pro football in his new song Honky Tonk U:

"I have sacked some quarterbacks,

and broke my share of bones along the way

I knew it wouldn't last forever,

semi-pro always means semi-paid."

Honky Tonk U, 2005

RHolecko 16:52, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I believe that last line is more of a reference to how Toby Keith did not get to the NFL, not a statement saying that Keith did not technically play professional football. The idea is that practically speaking, the only "real" professional sports league is the NFL, with the rest being "semi-pro" on the basis that the salaries they provide would not be enough for the job to be a living, even if they're technically "professional" (the CFL is technically professional but its players make a fraction of what NFL players make, although I'm not quite sure if its salaries are comparable (on a relative scale) to the USFL). The point here is that "semi-pro" is a metaphor, not a statement of fact.

Having said that, the Drillers WERE affiliated with the USFL, although they were not the main club- they were a farm club for the Outlaws and were thus technically semi-pro anyway. It's possible, though, that Keith may have broken into the Outlaws' lineup a few times. -RomeW

[edit] Recording contract by 30?

"Keith had promised himself to have a recording contract by the time he was 30 years old or give up on music as a career. He was approaching that age without any prospects for a recording contract." There appears to be a factual error somewhere because the article states he didn't go to Nashville until he was already 32.

[edit] Keith's Recent Awards

Toby Keith's Recent Awards
2005 CMA Music Video of the Year
2004 CMT Flameworthy Video Music Awards Video Collaboration of the Year
2004 CMT Flameworthy Video Music Awards Video Director of the Year
2004 CMT Flameworthy Video Music Awards Video of the Year
2003 Academy of Country Music Album of the Year
2003 Academy of Country Music Entertainer of the Year
2003 Academy of Country Music Top Male Vocalist
2003 Academy of Country Music Video of the Year
2003 CMT Flameworthy Video Music Awards Cocky Video of the Year
2003 CMT Flameworthy Video Music Awards Male Video of the Year
2003 CMT Flameworthy Video Music Awards Video of the Year
2002 CMT Flameworthy Video Music Awards "LOL" (Laugh Out Loud) Video of the Year
2001 CMA Male Vocalist of the Year

[edit] Dixie Chicks

"Keith also had a public feud with the Dixie Chicks over the song, as well as comments they made from the stage about President George W. Bush. The lead singer of the Dixie Chicks, Natalie Maines, publicly stated that the song was "ignorant, and it makes country music sound ignorant." Keith defeated the Dixie Chicks to win Entertainer of The Year from the Academy of Country Music (2002)."

That last sentence seems to be implying that that he "won" the feud by receving some award. It seems irrelevent to the topic, but I don't know enough about either of these artists or this controversy to feel comfortable with removing it. So, I guess my question is: does this have any relevance to the controversy, or is it just an attempt to make the Dixie Chicks look bad? 68.8.201.7 02:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

No one responded, so I removed it 68.8.201.7 06:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Db3811 21:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Belatedly, I would have to suggest that it was quite relevant to the controversy as the awards represent the country music 'establishment' view: the establishment view was reflected in the ceremonail burning/crushing of Dixie Chicks CDs organized by radio stations, their refusal to play DC songs even until now, and SIGNIFICANTLY in awarding Toby Keith the ACM award. Basically, the ACM was saying that if favored Keith's ultra-patriotism than the DCs' dissenting voices. I personally believe that, as far as country music was concerned, that was indeed the resolution of that dispute and that the article was fine as it was. However, I will leave it up to you to comment and then decide whether or not you wish to reinstate it.

[edit] Illiteracy

I've heard Toby can't read. I've heard books are like cryptonite to him. Is this true? What say you out there in country music land? What say you? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.190.230.57 (talk) 18:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC). I doubt this is totally true. However, the biography makes no mention of his academic performance in high school. Another open question, He is known to write most of his own songs- at least lyrically. What about writing and reading music, doe she know all that notation? Also to have worked his way up as he did in the oilfield industry. However, his background, I would not be surprised if he only does a limited about of reading. Wfoj2 15:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number 1 of ?

As the lead single from the album Unleashed (2002), "Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue" peaked at number 1 over the weekend of July 4.

As I'm not familiar with the charts in the US, I would be interested in a change of this sentence into something that mentions that he peaked at number 1 of the US country charts. One can find that information at the bottom of the page, but I'd rather read have it in the text. -- Jan, July 6th, 2006

[edit] Needs editing

These following areas need to be streamlined and edited. 2 Discography
2.1 Albums
2.2 Singles

[edit] Fixed singles chart

I fixed the errors in the chart and checked the singles with a list at www.allmusic.com, can I remove the cleanup tag? Also, do we really need a pop 100 and US digital 100 columns just because 2 out of his 30+ songs charted on there? I don't think so, I would remove them now but I want to see what everyone's thoughts are first. I think a simple note would suffice, no reason to add a new column just because of 2 songs. Faris b 04:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It's been about 2 weeks since I first posted. If no one opposes within the next 24 hours from the date of this message, I will be removing the pop 100 and US digital 100 columns for the reason that they don't belong. A footnote for them can be added but I think adding 2 columns just for the sake of 2 out of 30+ songs is too much. Faris b 07:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the pop and digital columns are they are unneccessary, please do not re-add them. The note at the bottom should suffice I believe, feel free to reword it if necessary. Faris b 02:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Allmusic.com isn't 100% accurate for singles; sometimes they leave some out, and most of the time, they have the songs listed out of chronological order. I have Top 40 Country charts from Billboard dating back to 1990, and I can confirm that yes, "Dream Walkin'" was indeed a single that peaked at #5, even though it's not listed on allmusic.com. I have added this song to the list of singles, and made the footnotes a little easier to read. I have also added the number of weeks for each of his #1's (some were missing before). 68.188.191.9 00:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Then may I ask, what do you suggest to use as a reference other than allmusic.com that is FREE? Faris b 03:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Billboard.com is less likely to leave out singles; however, they have the same problem as Allmusic.com does, in that they often list the songs out of order. Don't fret too much about chronological order; I'm 99.9% sure that the songs are all in correct order now. The only other thing I can think of would be to check back issues of Billboard magazine at your local library, but this would be rather time consuming. TenPoundHammer 20:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lawsuit

I suggest a section that deals with Michael McCloud's copyright infringement lawsuit against Keith, as reported in The Miami Herald on December 5, 2006 [1]. Noneus 00:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Radio & Records

Could someone please help me pinpoint the Radio & Records peaks for his songs? I know some were #2 on Billboard and #1 on R&R. I also know that Upstairs Downtown was #10 Billboard/#7 R&R. TenPoundHammer 03:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)