Talk:Tyler, Texas

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1 Transportation
2 Economy
3 Winery
4 Rose Festivities
5 Utilities Section
6 Tyler History

[edit] Transportation

Someone ought to upgrade the transportation section; perhaps including a link to Loop 49. I will when I get the time. Dirtydan667 19:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. I also added information about the other major roadways in the city. Apophos 17:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Perfect...much better than anything I could have come up with. Dirtydan667 15:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Economy

Maybe I'm being obsessive, but I think the current events template tag at the top of Economy is innappropriate.......anyone agree/disagree? Buddpaul 20:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe it was tagged when Goodyear announced imminent closure of the plant and the article was changed to reflect that. They have sinced backed off and moved the closure date to 2008. That, of course, could change at any time, leaving the article inaccurate. I think the tag is appropriate until it is confirmed that the plant will remain open indefinitely or is closed permanently. Or, we could remove the closure announcement from the article and just reference the plant's closure when it happens. Then the tag would be inappropriate. Let's get some consensus first. A lot of good editors include this article in their rounds. Dirtydan667 01:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Winery

I removed some text (provided below) regarding a winery in operation near Tyler because it seemed like an advertisement and it was in the manufacturing portion of the economy section. It is possibly notable in that it is one of the few places near (within?) Tyler where alcohol may be purchased for off-site consumption (?), but mentioning that tidbit warrants mentioning the inability, in general, to purchase alcohol for off-site consumption within Tyler. I'd say that it belongs in the new (and largely incomplete and so-far hardly encyclopedic) Recreation/Tourism section, at the very minimum. If no one wants to work it back into the article somehow (or if no one responds within a few weeks or so), I'll put something together. I'd like some consensus as to whether the winery deserves mentioning; for instance, to those who have been: is it something that deserves mentioning in an encyclopedia? Dirtydan667 09:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

* Kiepersol Estates Winery operates 10 miles south of town in Bullard, TX which is in Smith County. They have a winery store in town, although no beer, wine, or liquor is sold throughout the county, Kiepersol can legally sell its alcoholic wine because 2/3 or more of the grapes are produced in Texas and in Smith County.

Nevermind. I requested speedy deletion of the Kiepersol article and got it, as it was utterly unencyclopedic. Next order of business... Dirtydan667 19:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rose Festivities

I think that there shoukd AT LEAST be an acknowledgement to the Rose Festival, held annually in Tyler. With a new "Rose Queen" crowned each year, I think we should also have a list of the Queens. As the Rose Festival has a museum, parade, and major event which draws many Tyler residents to it. This is a MAJOR event in Tyler, and the queens have all kinds of "royalty" if someone else dosn't get started on this soon, I will. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.71.177.102 (talk) 16:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

There already is acknowledgment. Check out the existing article Texas Rose Festival. That article is linked in a previous section. The list of the queens, if that should ever be deemed encyclopedic, would be much more appropriate within that article. I'd hate to revert the work you've done, but seeing that the festival is already mentioned in the article and that the festival already has its own article, it seems a bit redundant. Dirtydan667 00:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

After much thought, I made the decision to remove the section about the rose festival. There truly is already mention (as well as an article) and its reinclusion seems redundant. Dirtydan667 01:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

A VERY SMALL mention, and might I add, most Tyler citizens go to the parade adn everything else. I had much work and research on that! PLease AT LEast let me try to keep it up. I will do even more and even better, I promise. Binglebongle2000 04:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Be aware that this article is about Tyler. More sourced mentions of the Rose Festival may be inserted into appropriate sections of the Tyler article as needed. However, creating a (no offense, but it was poorly written) section about the festival when then there is an existing article about the festival is redundant. Your section did not mention anything about Tyler (which is what this article is about) or the festival's impact on Tyler (which, again, is what this article is about). Your section was about the Texas Rose Festival, which already has an article. A sourced mention of the economic impact of the rose festival is needed in the Tyler article in the Economy section, for sure. Thanks to your inquiry, I reworked the Texas Rose Festival into the Tyler article. I gave it the mention that it probably deserves within the Tyler article in an appropriate section. Dirtydan667 17:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I copied the reverted text below. Note that I am not trying to be hurtful, but am offering constructive criticism, when I say: please read a few encyclopedia articles before editing, so that you may pick up a few pointers regarding the style and flow of an encyclopedia article:

Rose Festival

In Tyler, every year a "Rose Festival" is held in which there is a "Rose Queen". Note that there is no "Rose King". The Rose Queen has a dress, crown, and other items of royalty. She is accompanied by train bearers, and many others. The Rose Festival includes a parade, and there is a Rose Festival Museum, where former queens' dresses are on display. Each year there is a theme. Some examples are:

English Literature(year of Cathrine Noelle King)2005

Imperial Fantasy (year of Samantha Fischer)1989

A list of rose queens definatly can be called encyclopedic! I can see it now, an elementary age kid from Tyler who wants to do a report on a rose queen so she naturally looks it up on Wikipedia. But then she is very dissapointed when there is no list of rose queens, and she is forced to go to another website, or even worse- change her topic. Binglebongle knows what shes talking about.

To be brutally honest, outside of Tyler (and surely outside of Texas), the Texas Rose Festival (which already has an article where mention of the queens belongs) is not widely known. The queens don't seem to achieve greater notability afterwards; hence, a list of the queens may not fly. It absolutely does not belong in the Tyler article. Dirtydan667 17:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

If you even LOOKED at the article that you deleted! If you had any comprehension, there wasn't a LIST of queens. It was used as an example for themes! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!Binglebongle2000 00:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

This isn't very difficult.

1) I did not delete any article. I deleted a section in an article.

2) So, put the list of themes and queens in the Texas Rose Festival article, where it belongs. None of that belongs in the Tyler article. May we move on?

3) You're welcome. Dirtydan667 12:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, Mr. Tecnical. ( I don't care if I spelled that wrong). Do YOU know any TYLER CITIZENS? DO You know what they do on a summer afternoon? They go to the ROSE FESTIVAL! And, also, I am very well aware of the fact that that outside of Tyler this isn't very well known. SO THIS ISN'T VERY DIFFUCULT:

1) wikipedia is an online ENCYCLOPEDIA

2)People use ENCYCLOPEDIAS (there's that word again) to LEARN things about whatever they look up.

3) People don't want to waste their time reading ENCYCLOPEDIA articles that just say everthing they ALREADY KNOW

Does it make sense yet? Ok. On another note, going with your thinking, the city of Tyler isn't very well known. So, (again using your logic) why don't we just delete the whole article about Tyler. HONESTLY! Binglebongle2000 14:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Utilities Section

What is the precedent for this section? Is it something that must be included for FA status? Has something similar been justifiably added to the articles of other cities? It seems a bit out of place and like an ad for the companies or a new resident's guide. I'll give it some time and hope a discussion takes place. Dirtydan667 16:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)