Talk:Vanilla Sky

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Contents 1 Katie Holmes 2 Monet & Vanilla Sky 3 Phillip K. Dick? 4 "Theories" section 5 hey visual continuity error hounds 6 Whole Movie a Dream? 7 Background on changes to introduction 8 removal of analysis 9 psychology 10 Salon "typically" negative 11 Moved up to B-class

[edit] Katie Holmes

Let's see, this is my first entry into the world of Wikipedia editing and thus thought I would ask on here, Tom Cruise was in no way related to Katie Holmes during the filming of this movie to the best of my knowledge and her appearence would be random...correct?

I agree. Vanilla Sky was filmed in 2001. He was dating his on-screen romance Penelope Cruz during and after the filming. He broke up with Penelope Cruz in January 2005. He only started dating Katie Holmes in April of 2005. So the image of Katie in Time Square was just a coincidence.

[edit] Monet & Vanilla Sky

Googling does not find any Monet called "Vanilla Sky" (other than by reference to the movie). There are two contenders for being the picture in the film. Does anyone know what the picture is for sure? The Anome 20:25 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=monet%20%22vanilla%20sky%22&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi One site calls it "The Scene at Argenteuil". I think the name Vanilla Sky comes from the song that's played over the credits, but I'm not sure on that one. risk 22:01, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

the song (by paul mccartney) was composed after the fact......see the dvd extras for an interview with paul on this. Vanilla sky is a throwaway phrase of david's in describing an original monet in his apartment

[edit] Phillip K. Dick?

I seem to remember seeing somewhere that this film was based upon Philip K. Dick's stories. Honestly, the only connection I see is that, like many of his stories, it deals with an artificial reality and that it involves Life Extension, a key part of many of his works. Anyone else know if there really is a connection? -Fuzzy 21:33, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't have a supporting reference, but Ubik looks a particular possibility (an idea I find has been raised many times - see Google). That involves a central character who is cryonically frozen and dreaming his own reality, and not realising it until someone from outside explains the situation. User:Raygirvan Apr 10 2005

Dick's novel which tells this story is "Frozen Journey", surprisingly it has been unnoticed (to my knowledge) until this notice. The context of "Frozen journey" is different, the basics of the plot lies in the fact that though the hero could dream the bestest dreams, he can't help falling into nightmares.

[edit] "Theories" section

Anyone else think this is way too informal? Frankly, I think the article would be better if it were just removed, but at the very least it needs heavy editing.

[edit] hey visual continuity error hounds

I'm gonn get a little philosophical on ya. j'ever think if there is a visual continuity error or two in that movie it only kinda serves to enhance the weird timeless/ time shifting thing that goes on throughout? I kinda think so at some parts. KzzRzzKnocker 03:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think it's yet another reason why the whole movie must be just one of David's Lucid Dreams. --Scion, LSCM Webmaster 02:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whole Movie a Dream?

It's mentioned in this that the whole movie is a dream, yet in the movie, they said the dream only started after the night he got drunk at the nightclub. --Ulyaoth 01:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

The whole movie has to be a dream. Why? Because when David wakes up in his apartment the first time, just before he discovers he's alone in New York City, Sofia Serrano's voice is the one that wakes him up. She's the voice on his alarm clock and he wakes up alone. Except he hasn't met her yet. He doesn't meet her until his birthday party later that evening. When he wakes up the second time, it's Julie's voice on his alarm clock and she's still in his bed. --Scion, LSCM Webmaster 02:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Background on changes to introduction

Earlier versions of this article have made various attempts to sum up the film in the introduction without including any spoilers. Since its too complex to really summarize well in a single sentence, I changed the introduction yet again and took the approach of quoting various published film critics about the kind of film it is. This approach also helps compensate for the focus in the unsourced analysis on only the science fiction aspects, like brain in a vat and similarities to works by Philip K. Dick. 66.167.138.237 11:24, 10 April 2006 (UTC).

[edit] removal of analysis

I enjoyed reading the analysis section, and I do not believe it is in alignment with what Wikipedia is. Find someone notable who said the ideas there, and then put it in... Sethie 01:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] psychology

doesn't the psychology in the film (in the jail cruz is talking to a psychiatrist) conflict with Tom's own beliefs?

[edit] Salon "typically" negative

It seems to me that calling a Salon.com review "typically negative" is a POV statement. No? — vijay (Talk) 07:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't actually know of salon.com or its reviews, but I'm sure this wording would be to do with statistics; either the majority of reviews of (big budget) movies are "negative" or compared to other movie review sites. Perhaps if it is commonly known or thought that salon.com gives so-called 'negative reviews' then the 'typically negative' wording actually justifies this as in, rather than implying the movie is 'bad' because salon.com says so, include that salon.com is known to give out harsh reviews. So it could be an opinion, or true. Investigate. 80.47.85.45 19:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved up to B-class

Having read through the criteria, I believe this article is now worth a B-class. I will continue to improve it and hopefully bring up its standard even more. Schizmatic 21:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)