Talk:VeggieTales

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[edit] Larrys "Guitar"

I just watched "Silly songs with Elves" again and I noticed that the "guitar" that Larry is playing only has 4 strings while guitars usually have 6. I just wanted to know if it was a special 4-string guitar or some other stringed instrument. Maybe the reason why Larry can't play the guitar in the theme song is because he can't play 6 strings, but 4 strings are fine.

Hey, maybe Larry was playing a Ukelele!

[edit] Junior

The link to Junior Asparagus links right back here. Perhaps it would be good for someone to make a Junior page. For now, I'll leave the link as-is (namely because I'm lazy, and don't feel like making a Junior page) but I think it should be done. authraw 01:52, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should This Be Added?

Veggie Tales is sometimes, among fans, referd to as V.T., and most often spelled VeggieTales.Tribbey 03:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big Idea Page Expanded?

I think the Big Idea Productions article should be expanded. The story if its demise is quite compelling. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 14:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Here here, but there come back is great to!Tribbey 01:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be a link, like "the rise and fall of Big Idea" or "The preseant past and future of Big Idea".Tribbey 23:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Not to disargre with you agian but we already have a link to that page on Phil's website.Tribbey 23:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm saying that the article should be expanded. However I don't have a verifiable source for Big Idea's beginnings. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 20:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Get the Were's God when Im Scared !?! DVD and you will get a "varifiable source" Malber.Tribbey 23:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I have it, something in print and 3rd party would be better. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 20:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Do you have the "Collectors Edition or the "Classic Edition".Tribbey 16:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Surf Phil's web site, that might give you what you want.Tribbey 16:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Not much there. As much as he seems to deny it, I think he broods on losing Big Idea. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 17:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Well at the time he wrote all that stuff he was very depresed, but now he's all right.I can not help you with anything else.Tribbey 23:26, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seriously needs cleaning-up

This page needs cleaning up so bad. Do I have to ask an adminastrator to put a clean-up tag on it? MorwenofLossarnarch 14:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps some suggestions on what you feel needs cleaning up might be appropriate? --Rehcsif 16:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking that the list of characters should be spaced a little better, and pictures would be an excellent addition. Hanzolot 18:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the character list and removed some of the non-repeating characters (e.g. Goliath). It still needs attention. Mangoe 17:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I have reworked the Videos section: got rid of the useless sub-bullets; made the titles stand out better; split out the compilations; reworded some of the descriptions; etc. -- Poolio 05:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Expand Jonah?

Let's Expand the Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie Article and include the Cast & Crew, the full plot and the box office results and the movie poster. Should we do that?

[edit] Smart Place for Kids

This section seems largely irrelevant to the VeggieTales page. A mention might be appropriate in the "Brief History" section, but this section reads more like a press release than an encyclopedic entry, and does not even mention VeggieTales directly. CrimsonLine 21:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with you. It also has its own article, and it doesn't even mention VeggieTales, so I removed the entire section. If someone wants to write up a sentence or two to link to the Smart Place for Kids article, that would be fine, but I'd personally only do so if someone can find a cite that VeggieTales characters, and not just Big Idea and Classic, will be involved. --Rehcsif 03:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I've done a small bit of research on it (only a few minutes, mind you) and I can't seem to find anything that directly links VeggieTales and Smart Place For Kids together. I agree with the deletion. --authraw 17:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Theme song

I've added (or will be adding shortly) the lyrics to the theme song in the article. I've only seen one V.T. video, the one with the Good Samaritian, but the theme song has stuck with me for years. Any objections? --glasnt ^<3 02:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Nooooooooo! I've heard that song tooo many times! --66.218.17.94 04:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting This Talk Page

Please don't delete parts of this talk page--If you feel that this page is too long, either archive it or ask someone to archive it for you. However, I don't see this page being anywhere close to too long. --authraw 22:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revert-o-rama

Someone has taken it upon themselves to "resolve" the merge issue. I don't see a lot of opinion about this, and since the current state is links out to a lot of literally empty articles, I'm just going to mindlessly revert everything. It's too hard to straighten out. Can we please decide whether to merge the tapes in or not? My vote:

Oppose: eventually the tape articles will get filled in. Mangoe 00:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the red links because they are a destraction and serve no purpose because i wrote all the blue links and their pages (cept Jonah and Pirates) and will not write any more links because i started the hole merge ishu. LarryBoy and The Bad Apple is out on DVD in America at christian bookstores evrey where and the next VT Episode after Gideon is The Lone Stranger. Oh and one more thing, Whats so wrong with deleting red links? Tribbey 02:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I also deleted all the VT episode preposed merge pages like Larry boy and the bad apple and the rest. Whats wrong with that when i wrote those pages any ways? Tribbey 02:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

If you are going to merge everything together, there is a right way to do it. Please see WP:MM. Blanking pages is generally considered vadalism and at the very least isn't the proper way to deal with the merge.

If you are going to eliminate the separate page, then I would expect that the section would give a synopsis for each video (including the "silly song" or equivalent. Mangoe 02:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Why cant i just dellete all those pages. come on people, work with me hear. I wrote those pages any ways. Tribbey 03:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

What im am going to do is to do what i did with the "DVDs To Be released". Tribbey 03:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I will keep the blue liks and dellete the red ones. Tribbey 17:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I object to that; someone else is quite welcome to come along and fill them in later.

And if you are going to put in synopses, then please do it in an encyclopedic style, and PLEASE check your spelling!! Mangoe 18:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

This is ridiculous! I just corrected all your (Tribbey's, under anonymous account) spelling errors, and then he reverted back to a version which removed all these synopses. We need to STOP and quit changing, changing back, and re-changing things until this has been settled here on this talk page! Nobody "owns" this article! --Rehcsif 18:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Doggone it, where did all of the discussion on this topic go? Who keeps deleting it!? I'm going to have to go back into the history of this talk page and find it again. For the record, however, my opinion on the matter has changed. After letting the pages mature for awhile and do their own thing, they now seem much more manageable and I find it a good way to get the trivial stuff out of this article. For history's sake, however--stop deleting discussions here! Stop it!!! -_-' --authraw 02:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've found the previous discussion and pasted it below--Please note that my opinion has changed from before. --authraw 02:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge?

Pleasedo not remove or add another VT Episode. I plan To Do Them All later today. Tribbey 15:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Uh, it seems to me that there really isn't enough encyclopedic information on each of those pages to justify an entire page on each of them. I think that the plot synopis and release date should be included beneath the episode name on this article. I'm going to put in merge tags so that we can discuss this process efficiently. -- authraw 16:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The plot detial will be added later. The release date is hard to find for the episodes after the ultimate silly song countdown. I plan to put a page for every VT episode. If you want you can add the plot. Tribbey 22:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm suggesting that we not make separate pages for each episode and instead include just the most important information on this page. (I would say that your first paragraph and the silly songs on each of those pages would constitute all of the most important information.) I don't think it's really neccesary to include all of the little details like the main characters and order in which the sections of each episode happened. -- authraw 01:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Like i said I plan on adding a Story Plot on each page.Tribbey 03:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

But I don't think that there should be an each page--I think that any of the important information from those articles should be merged here and that those pages should be deleted. I don't really see a lot of the information on several of those pages to be really important. -- authraw 02:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

How about merge them into one page called "Veggie Tales Episodes" or something like that.Tribbey 18:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

How about creating articles on the Video Games and the larry boy Vidoes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.167.216.74 (talk • contribs).

I don't know--I don't think that would really be neccesary either. We still have plenty of room in this article for more information--I say we just put a little bit of info on each episode on this page. Shall I post this page in "articles for comment" so that we can get some outside opinions? I think that would be best. :) -- authraw 21:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Go right ahead. and im starting to think that what you are saying is a good idea. Im am now on a wikibreak and be watching the page from a distance so can this debate be retired for a little while.Tribbey 23:19, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea of making all of the episodes into their own article, if only for encapsualtion. it is a reasonable compromise position between you two. Though, including an example plot from one of the episodes, might befit the article. -- ∞Dbroadwell 17:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I like Tribbey's idea of a "Veggie Tales Episodes" page, or "List of Veggie Tales Episodes" page. The current article has plenty of info, synopsis (synopsys? synopsisis? what's the plural?!?) would over-load it (IMHO). On the other hand, a seperate page for each episode seems like over-kill. In any case, you have your work cut out for you. Good luck!-DejahThoris 01:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I concur that a page for the episodes seems like enough. The fact that there are over 20 of them means they are hardly going to be represented well on the main page, however, although each episode has a wide audience in VHS/DVD sales, they don't really fit into a page for each. A paragraph or two on each on a VeggieTales Episodes page would be great IMO. Ans e ll 07:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

It's all a question of length. I don't think each episode is notable enough to have its own article, so either it should all be in the main article or, if the episode list is large enough to overshadow the rest of the article, move it to a list page with brief plot synopses and sentences on anything noteworthy in each episode. Fagstein 05:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

So does this mean that my idea has won?Tribbey 17:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be agreed that a separate page should be made that lists all of the episodes, a short plot summary, the silly songs, and perhaps a few other minor things. :) Do you want to make the page, or should I? authraw 00:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

You could if you want to, but it just sounds like a wast of time ,I think we should have someing thing like this. Tribbey 15:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

the suv song
- A snoodls tale
school house polka
- sumo of the opera

And so on.(keep the LarryBoy and the Bad Apple page, then after it comes out delete it.) Tribbey 15:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Hang on, I thought that the consensus was that we should make a separate page to put all of the important info about the episodes on--now you don't want to list the episodes at all? And I don't think it would be entirely out of line to make a separate page for "Silly Songs with Larry" (as of now, it just redirects to Larry the Cucumber) that lists the silly songs and which episodes they come from, but to add yet another list to this page, I think, would just cheapen the article. authraw 19:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

It is not another page for Silly Songs, it is going to be on the V.T. Page.Tribbey 17:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, Tribbey, it seems we can't agree on anything! ;-P I believe that we should make a separate page for the silly songs at "Silly Songs with Larry" and go into a little more detail on the silly songs in general (after all, I do think that a lot can be said about them. A simple list would not do them justice, methinks.) I also believe that we already have too many lists on this page as is--I don't feel it is neccesary to add any more. As for the episodes, I feel that we should go with the generally accepted idea of putting them all into a separate article. What do you think? Do we need to list the page on Wikipedia: Third Opinion again? -- authraw 20:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thats fine. Tribbey 00:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Eheh... what's fine? That I list it for a third opinion or that we go with the plan I detailed in the paragraph above? :-P -- authraw 20:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Just do what ever you want. Tribbey 00:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry that it's taking so long to put up the pages (if somebody else wants to start it, feel free) but I'm just so freakin' busy right now that I can't seem to find time for anything but minor, managerial edits right now. This weekend isn't looking good either, and then we'll be getting close to finals week. When I get the time to fix it up I will, but that's not looking like any time soon. -- authraw 19:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree Lest move all the episodes to a VeggieTales Episodes page as well as moving the feature films to there.

My opinon has now changed to oppose the merge--the pages are now much more substantial and are good to keep this article more concice. (see above topic, too) --authraw 02:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

My opinion is to oppose the merge. The pages will get fleshed out in time. I will do more as time permits. I have just added significant details to the Lyle the Kindly Viking page. -- Just another VeggieTales fan, 18 August 2006

[edit] Spelling

Tribbey (I'm assuming this is you, although they're often anonymous edits): you HAVE to check your spelling if you're going to modify this article (or any other Veggie-related article, or any other WP article for that matter). In the future, I'll just start reverting instead of cleaning up your messes. I've spent considerable time cleaning up your atrocious spelling! We appreciate your contributions, but the spelling errors make this article look terrible and inaccurate! --Rehcsif 18:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode Structure

I have been working on updating the episode pages. I'm basically expanding on what was already there with some additional changes: adding an infobox with a cover illustration; renaming "Plot" to "Synopsis" and moving it up top; adding "Notes and Trivia", especially cultural references and VeggieTales cross-references; complete/accurate song and character lists; consistency of formatting. I am also verifying all info directly from the videos and the credits in the process. These changes give the pages a more professional look and will hopefully put to bed the "Merge" issue below. I encourge anyone else to help with this effort. (I don't have access to all videos.) Look at the pages below for examples and please be consistent! I'm taking all images directly from the Big Idea site. -- Poolio 05:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I am also combining the "Chapters" and "DVD Bonus Features" under the heading "DVD Content" with a standard header. Thes two topics should be coupled since they pertain to the characteristics of the DVD itself, and not to the story/characters/songs/etc that make up the rest of the page. -- Poolio 05:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The following is a list of "completed" pages. Which is not to say there is no room for improvement... just that there are others that are in greater need of some work. See below. — Poolio 05:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Completed Episode Pages

Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie

[edit] Videos Section

Hello, Azumanga1. Is there a special reason why you pulled the episode lists out from under the "Videos" section? The four sub-sections ("Episdoes", "Feature Length Films", "Compilations", and "Upcoming Releases") all belong grouped together under the heading of Videos. These topics are tightly related, i.e., things you can buy and watch. The paragraphs directly under "Videos" are an intro to the sections that followed. It doesn't make sense now that you've broken them up and added stuff in between. Please respond! I will be reverting this shortly. (I will, of course, retain your other contributions.) Maybe the overall heading could be improved: "Productions" perhaps, or "Video and DVD"? -- Poolio 04:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

As noted above, I've restored the hierarchy to the "Videos" section. I added a note that videos are available on both VHS and DVD, to make it clear that the term "Videos" is being used in the broad sense, and not as a shorthand for "video tapes". Poolio 16:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Can we stop messing with the Videos section, at least until we've discussed it here? The order should be: Episodes, Films, Compilations, Unreleased. You can't list Compilations ahead of the things they comprise; it's not standard form and it's not intuitive to the reader. And you shouldn't list a minor category with one entry ahead of the main substance of the list. Again, not intuitive, not good form. -- Poolio 01:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

To whomever changed the names of the two Silly Songs videos: Could you please reply here and cite your sources for the change? I can't find any source that refers to "Very Silly Songs!" as "A Very Silly Sing-Along". And if "The End of Silliness?" is subtitled "A Very Silly Sing-Along 2", it doesn't appear on the cover. I would recommend keeping the titles consistent with what's listed on Big Idea's own site. I don't think it's necessary to clutter the episode list with subtitles.

I am reverting the last change. If you have an issue with the current format, discuss it first. That's why this page is here. Poolio 01:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vote for Merger?

Can we get an official vote as to whether or not to merge the episodes in? It would be good to get rid of those templates and move on with the article. Should we merge?

I Oppose the merge. The episode pages are becoming more substantial and will help to keep this article consice. --authraw 01:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I Oppose the merge. I'm working pretty hard to get those episode pages into a standard, robust, and professional format. Check out the list under "Episode Structure" at the top of this page. (Sumo is the best so far.) Continuing in this vein, merging will no longer be a viable option. -- Poolio 05:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright--this has been here for awhile, so I'm going to assume nobody else has anything to say on the matter. In a day or two, I'm going to remove the merge notices. If anyone has a problem with that, please speak up now! --authraw 02:25, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I have now removed the merge notices! --authraw 01:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, authraw. -- Poolio 03:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phil News

PhilVischer.com has been updated to a blogging format.

[edit] Larry-Boy and the Rumor Weed parodied on SpongeBob?

Is this true? If so, then which episode was it?

Listen to the rumer weed audio comentary and you will find out that sponge bob parodied rumer weed.

[edit] Episode Pages Needing Work

Okay, I have completed adding pages for every episode in the series. All of them have Infoboxes with DVD/VHS cover art, intro paragraphs, and have been initialized to the standard format. The list of Completed Episode Pages above lists all of those that are more or less complete. The following lists the episodes that have been marked for expansion. Please update them in the same style as the rest if you own these videos and have a little free time. I don't mind proofing everything for spelling, grammar, format, etc. (The two marked with a star I will be able to complete in a couple weeks.) — Poolio 05:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "qobo" Controversy citation

The citation requested for this section is provided by the first citation link in the article, found at the end of the article's first paragraph. Does this link need to be repeated at the end of the "Controversy" section, or should the "citation needed" marker simply be deleted? -- Pennyforth 23:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I've made a change to avoid this whole thing. How does that look? ;-) --authraw 01:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PHOTO OF "THE LONE STRANGER"

Can someone add this Photo to The Lone Stranger page. Here is the Link for the photo.

Unfortunately, no, unless you can either prove that it's been released under a GFDL-compatible license or into the public domain, or can come up with a valid fair use rationale. For starters, we'd need to know where the image came from. --Rehcsif 04:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The image came from this web site.

We can't just take images off of websites and place them in the encyclopedia. We'd have to get appropriate permission... I kind of wonder if that site even has proper permission to use their images... --Rehcsif 17:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism?

It seems very odd to me that there is no part of the article documenting the criticism this (children's) show has received for its blatantly religious slant. Among people who respect the fact that young children do not know enough about the world to understand or make up their minds about issues as complicated as religion and belief there is widespread condemnation of this series for its proselytizing. Why is this not documented in the article? Inoculatedcities 23:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Most of the criticism that I've seen here is in the form of vandalism, not a meaningful discussion with reliable sources. You are welcome to try.

Plus, Larry and Bob don't come to your house unless they're invited. Parents have every right to teach their children about religion and morality at any age. Heck, many adults don't know enough about the world to understand complicated religious issues, but that's not the point. VeggieTales doesn't get too complicated. --Spiffy sperry 16:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Funny. I came here (wanting to know more information about the brief stint Veggietales had at a themepark called Silver Dollar City) after noticing the absence of a crticism section as well. The statement "that many adults don't know about the world to understand complicated religious issues," is simply another reason why children shouldn't be brainwashed by an otherwise innocent show to support an agenda.. er, I mean, religion.. they probably wouldn't have supported otherwise, and probably won't be able to back up as adults either. (I assume, if parents have every right to teach their kids "morality and religion", then you are in support of Iran teaching kids to be suicide bombers on the same basis - or does this only (typically) apply to Christians?)I don't believe it is NP to have a "controversy" section about having the references to G-d removed, and not having a criticism section when this series is most certainly criticized. I don't have the time to actively debate and provide sources when they can be brought up in a search with Google at the moment, though. Personally, aside from the Joseph Goebbels element of propaganda -- I think the biggest element of crticism should be the small fact that the two "main" characters of the series, are actually fruits. Darkahn 17:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

From where I sit, I see nothing wrong with a criticism section so long as it is properly cited. ~~And cucumbers aren't fruits--are they?~~ :-P By gum, cucumbers are fruits! authraw 20:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Just to clear some things up, only the video versions of these programs contain a religious slant, i.e. asking the computer, "Qwerty" for a bible verse that relates to the moral of the story or talking about God and Jesus. In the television shows, the only explicit mentions of religion are in the episodes themselves, some of which were made before widespread synidaction on NBC, and are generally only Biblical references. The morals of the stories are fairly benign, i.e., treat others kindly, avoid violent solutions to conflicts, share what you have, believe in yourself. Personally, I'm a little dissapointed that the show backed off so much from its out-right Christian morals and took a more secular approach. --Helloworld12 22:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Darkahn, you seriously want to compare VeggieTales with suicide bomber school? That's just absurd. As for the Google search (I tried "VeggieTales criticism"), I didn't find anything on the first 2 pages that wasn't about the deal with NBC or a film review. Not that everything found there is a reliable source anyway. --Spiffy sperry 00:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware that the video versions are the most heavily religiously slanted; they are also the most widespread and popular, as well. Darkahn 14:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

SS -- are you trying to put words in my mouth, or did you seriously misinterpert what I said? "Morals and ethics" of religion vary; what I had said was certainly not comparing VeggieTales with "suicide bomber school", although VeggieTales certainly bares resemblences to several cartoons financed by Hesbollah in Lebanon. It was merely pointing out that 'teaching children ethics and morals' encompasses more than just inherently -Christian- ethics and morals, which are by no means universal, and aren't even practiced in their entirety by a vast majority of them. As to the finding of criticism, it is a well known fact that the creators and producers of the series endured media criticism, along with criticism of the general populace, for years -- hence the persistent sarcastic parodies, etc.

Unfortunately, due in part to Republican bloggers filling up the search engines with their own criticism of the post-NBC editted version, these references are hard to find; when they are found, they normally come in the form of -- yes -- reviews, which are arguably not "up-to-par" with Wikipedia's "verfiability" policy, despite the fact that those reviews (such as on imdb) show the opinions on the show. Not to mention, pro-Christian bloggers have also criticized the uneditted version of the show as being a "mockery of Christ" repeatedly, such as with the "VeggieTales Nativity Scene" (found in a two minute search with Google, which also entertained me for the day). Unfortunately, as you can see -- it's on a blog. http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/archives/2006/12/veggie_tales_na.php

There has been no criticism, to my knowledge, of the show, by any particularly noteworthy individuals. Darkahn 21:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I love Veggietubes!

I think the show is funny a good way to teach morals Chivista 18:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

But they don't teach morals. They teach one religion's dogmatic view of morality. Children are too young to make an informed decision about ethics.The Gonz 20:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Those Veggietales are going in my next stir-fry... --Candy-Panda 06:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3-2-1 Penguins

Ok, 3-2-1 Penguins should not be under the spin-off section, right? As far as I know, it has nothing to do with Veggie Tales. Teeple12 22:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, produced by the same company, tons of cross advertising, same voice actors, "Brought to you by the creators of VeggieTales" -- yea, not related at all 147.145.40.43 00:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but isn't a spinoff supposed to be with some the characters? Like larry-boy. 70.106.171.114 18:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Dosen't HAVE to be. P.S. What is your deal, Darkhln or whatever it is 75.71.137.248 03:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

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