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[edit] "You" → "The Player"? or else?
Quick question, should we necessarily change text to "the player" or "one"? It doesn't necessarily feel encyclopaedic to me. Compare: 1. Change: "The sword is one of the strongest weapons you can get in the game"
- Player → "The sword is one of the strongest weapons the player can get in the game"
- One → "The sword is one of the strongest weapons one can get in the game"
- (something) → "The sword is one of the strongest weapons that can be procured in the game"
- (nothing) → "The sword is one of the strongest weapons...in the game"
2. Change: "You cannot reach the island without a gold chocobo"
- → "The player cannot reach the island without a gold chocobo"
- → "One cannot reach the island without a gold chocobo"
- → "The island cannot be reached without a gold chocobo" / "A gold chocobo is required to reach the island"
3. Change: "You must defeat all three enemies..."
- → "The player must defeat all three enemies..."
- → "One must defeat all three enemies..."
- → "All three enemies must be defeated"
Personally, I like using the latter for each. It sounds more professional, less like a game guide, and (without intent on sounding pathetic) makes it sound like we're talking about something that exists, rather than what someone should do. Suggestions s'il vous plaît? — cuaHL 21:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, the final option sounds the best. It's normally how I'll write it if I'm doing it from scratch. It will also win over more of the "anti-cruft" voters as well. Deckiller 21:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, here it is. Well, the grammarian in me bristles at such blatant overuse of passive voice, and I strongly suggest we not write such poor practice into our style guide. Not only does it weaken the effectiveness of the prose, but it serves to mask things like weasel words. Additionally, I've seen almost as many WP:FACs shot down as a result of poor grammar style stemming from passive voice as from fancruft. "One" also presents problems: we shouldn't be throwing pronouns around haphazardly. There's also the option of referring to the character him/herself ("the sword is one of the strongest weapons Cloud can get in the game"), but I worry that it introduces some slippage between fiction and reference. "The player" still stands as the best solution, IMO. – Seancdaug 22:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- Well I'm not good at English, so I guess I was just going for what sounded best. What should we do? Vote on it? Reach a consensus before we carry on with this? Is there a precedent for this? — CuaHL 21:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, here it is. Well, the grammarian in me bristles at such blatant overuse of passive voice, and I strongly suggest we not write such poor practice into our style guide. Not only does it weaken the effectiveness of the prose, but it serves to mask things like weasel words. Additionally, I've seen almost as many WP:FACs shot down as a result of poor grammar style stemming from passive voice as from fancruft. "One" also presents problems: we shouldn't be throwing pronouns around haphazardly. There's also the option of referring to the character him/herself ("the sword is one of the strongest weapons Cloud can get in the game"), but I worry that it introduces some slippage between fiction and reference. "The player" still stands as the best solution, IMO. – Seancdaug 22:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
