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Clean up and put county GAA board article into the county format Tag articles talk pages with the {{GaelicGamesProject}} as articles are found that do not have the tag. Currently we have 1123 articles tagged as belonging to the project Create Camogie Association of Ireland Fixing up all the GAA Grounds pages with the set info box and the addition of pictures for all major stadiums. Add {{Infobox GAA player}} or {{Infobox GAA dualplayer}} to all player pages. Add correct infoboxes, categorys to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association stubs , next:B Complete review of Club championships many are missing winner, runners up etc Tag templates talk pages with the {{GaelicGamesProjectTemplate}} as templates are found that do not have the tag. Find incorrect disambiguations such as Paul McDonald (gaelic football) and replace with the correct Paul McDonald (Gaelic football)

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[edit] Image request

Would it be possible for you to make a image where you combine picture of all the Gaelic sports such as Image:Football4.png (Gnevin 22:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)) (copied and pasted from my talk page) I'm thinking about using these images for it, let me know what the consensus is.

Handball
Hurling and Camogie
Rounders This one I'm not sure of. It's CC, but it's not a very formal game of it. I think though, it illustrates that Gaelic Games are really about the craic, not big money and taking dives for frees.
Footba' Again, creative commons, this one seems to be a good generic club photo, but it's not that glamorous or impressive looking for the big game of GAA.

-- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The handball, hurling and football pics are good I think - but the one you suggested for rounders wouldn't work I don't think. It seems to much like a private family photo to work on wiki.--Macca7174 02:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The football pic is non commercial which isnt allowed on wiki , need a better rounders pic also it appears to be the uk version (Gnevin 09:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC))

Any suggestions on images to use then? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 23:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[1] looks good(Gnevin 14:43, 24 December 2006 (UTC))

Space for rounders. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 15:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

i belive it would ok to use the official logo GAA for this picture but i'll have to ask (Gnevin 18:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC))

What's this image gonna be used for? If it's something that's going to be behind the wiki scenes then the WP project logo is fine, anything appearing on the main Wiki pages should have the official logo or else no logo IMHO. That football pic is a good one but it'd be better if the use of the hands was more prominent, right now that might be mistaken for soccer. --Eamonnca1 02:51, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I got word back its ok to use the GAA logo as long as the image is listed corrected and only used on correct pages . still no sign of a rounders game (Gnevin 15:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC))

Do you want me to maybe draw a rounders bat or something? I know it's not quite as descriptive an image, but I think we might be kind of stuck. I'd take a photo of one, only I don't have one or know anywhere in South Derry it's played.

I've emailed a club in Mayo , give it a couple of day for them to get back to me if not we'll have to consider our options (Gnevin 18:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC))

No reply back to square one (Gnevin 01:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

Their are several image [2] that can be tagged as {{promo}} and used for what we need , maybe you can pick out the best on Pauric(Gnevin 13:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

Sorry, only noticed you'd replied there now. Those rounders images are a bit low res.
-- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

sorry just noticed that image now , looks great i'll give it few day for suggestions then i'll add it (Gnevin 00:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC))

When the image is complete you will need to say on the page its contains fair use images (Gnevin 00:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC))

I like the logo but it looks very bland or something, had my cousin from France look at it and he thought it looked a bit community games style. Can we get something with maybe a packed Hill or something? it will give it a more professional look. Good work so far though! Tankie ryan 01:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Competitions

Just saw a news report today about something called the 'O'Byrne Cup.' All the time I hear reports about this cup and that cup, and most of the time I've never heard of these competitions before. I'm recommending we start a page that has a complete list of GAA competitions and a brief summary of what each one is. I think it'd be a handy reference. --Eamonnca1 18:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Prolly a breach of protocol not waiting for replies but I went ahead and created it. --Eamonnca1 18:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

No breach wiki encourages people to WP:Be bold (Gnevin 14:53, 24 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Photos

I was wondering, I have a good digital camera and i was wondering if I took pictures of photos in books on Dublin GAA, would that mean I could use those photos on the pages? Frainc 16:35 28 December 2006

Fairly sure that's a violation of the books publisher/authors copyright. However if you want to go to some Gaelic matches and take pictures for us to use, feel free. :P -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 02:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, this morning I came across a similar thing. My mother had a book relating to the GAA teams of the East Tyrone loughshore. The book doesn't say anything about copyrights or authors, and most of the pictures are from the 40s or so with big leather balls and warped looking hurlies. Anyone think I should take some pictures of this? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 13:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

As per {{PD-Ireland}} — for works first published in the Republic of Ireland where all the authors died over 70 calendar years ago, or if the authors are not known, where the works were published over 70 calendar years ago. the image must of be published in 1937 or before if published in ROI . I cant find anything about the UK (Gnevin 14:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC))

What about match programs? Can we photograph imags from them? Derry Boi 15:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Same as above for program unless is says no copyright than copyright must be assumed (Gnevin 18:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC))

Update apparently if the person is not playing any more could might be able to claim fair use on the image (Gnevin 15:47, 5 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment of articles??

I noticed on the Australia Wikiproject, they assess articles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Assessment. Is this something we should consider?--Macca7174 18:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

To be honest i feel this is the biggest waste of time ,its so random the assessment in general are without any guidelines and given by one person, The time it would take to assess the 650+ articles in our scope can be better spent (Gnevin 19:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] GAA articles intro (again)

Current Intro

The Dublin County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (Irish: Cummann Luthchleas Gael Coiste Contae Ath Cliath) or Dublin GAA is one of the 32 county boards of the GAA in Ireland, and is responsible for Gaelic Games in County Dublin. The county board is also responsible for the Dublin inter-county football, hurling, camogie

[edit] Connolly

Would it be possible for someone with more skill than me to alter the article on Dermot Connolly to actually reflect the lad's name. His name is Diarmuid, not Dermot. This is what he was christened by his parents and it is the name they and his teachers use. Lazy journalists have not exactly helped! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.42.102.101 (talk • contribs) 22:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

I'll happilly do it, if you can provide some reference that that's what most people call him. I'd go ahead and take your word for it, but making a change into Irish going by an anonymous users suggestion would send the many aggressive unionists on this site mad. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 23:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree i'd normally happily move but a quick search hasn't shown the above usage (Gnevin 01:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC))

I taught him for five years and coached him in both football and hurling in school. I also work with his father, who is a teacher in the school. The reason there are no references to him being called Diarmuid is, as I have suggested above, mainly down to lazy journalists. And I really don't see what unionists have to do with this. The lad's given name is Diarmuid, not Dermot. There are a number of links below, including one from the school's website, all listing his propoer name if that's any good.

http://archives.tcm.ie/carlownationalist/2002/11/04/story3449.asp

http://www.hill16.ie/viewstoryhill16.asp?mainheading=2nd+Level+Schools&id=200&viewstory=yes

http://www.websitesandtournaments.com/ardscoilris/alan/currentreports/sportsactivities.htm

I'll take your word for it, I can't see anyone complaining about this. My references to unionists was just that there is sometimes controversy on wikipedia on using Irish words. I was a bit quick shooting my mouth there though, I'll change this name now. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

In fairness no unionist worth his salt gives a damn about Gaelic Games. Added to that it is not an Irish word, it is an Irish name and, as stated already, the name that appears on his birth certificate. I appreciate you changing it, and so does he!

[edit] Gaelic Games Template

I've created two templates , please tell me which you like best and any improvement it might need

Gaelic Games

Men's Gaelic football - Hurling
Ladies Camogie - Ladies Gaelic football
Unisex Gaelic Handball - Rounders

Gaelic Games

Men's Gaelic football - Ladies Gaelic football Hurling - Camogie Gaelic Handball Rounders

They are very wide - could you not narrow them so they don't take up so much space?--Macca7174 00:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Down to 75% , is that better? (Gnevin 01:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC))

it is better, but they still look like they are wasting a lot of space because of they way they are center justified. THis may be my opinion only?--Macca7174 00:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I think they look good. I can see where Macca is coming from, but I don't have any suggestions to improve unfortunately. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

So should we go with A or B my vote would be with B (Gnevin 23:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC))

A --Eamonnca1 03:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

B--Macca7174 08:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

ok i went with B see {{Gaelic Games}}(Gnevin 01:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Peter Canavan Good Article Nom

I have nominated Peter Canavan for WP:GA status. here is the candidates page.--Macca7174 21:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Copyed from WP:IWNB

Added merge proposal template to Up the Deise. Article seems to have been created purely to advertise a .COM of the same name, and likely isn't worthy of article on own - but could be merged to Waterford GAA. Comments at Talk:Waterford GAA before I go ahead and merge. Guliolopez 16:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

(Gnevin 21:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC))

Done(Gnevin 21:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] 2006 Hurling all stars

Can someone please add the 2006 all stars to GAA_All_Stars_Awards_Past_Winners_(Hurling) (Gnevin 00:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC))

done- I went against type a bit, so maybe you should check it out. Also some of the wikilinks are red, so if someone could change them to the proper namespace.--Macca7174 10:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

OK i've tided and add the category to each player (Gnevin 19:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Suggestions wanted

Any suggestion on how to improve {{Hurling All-Irelands}}

All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championships
1887 \| 1888 \| 1889 1890 \| 1891 \| 1892 \| 1893 \| 1894 \| 1895 \| 1896 \| 1897 \| 1998 \| 1899 1900 \| 1901 \| 1902 \| 1903 \| 1904 \| 1905 \| 1906 \| 1907 \| 1908 \| 1909 1910 \| 1911 \| 1912 \| 1913 \| 1914 \| 1915 \| 1916 \| 1917 \| 1918 \| 1919 1920 \| 1921 \| 1922 \| 1923 \| 1924 \| 1925 \| 1926 \| 1927 \| 1928 \| 1929 1930 \| 1931 \| 1932 \| 1933 \| 1934 \| 1935 \| 1936 \| 1937 \| 1938 \| 1939 1940 \| 1941 \| 1942 \| 1943 \| 1944 \| 1945 \| 1946 \| 1947 \| 1948 \| 1949 1950 \| 1951 \| 1952 \| 1953 \| 1954 \| 1955 \| 1956 \| 1957 \| 1958 \| 1959 1960 \| 1961 \| 1962 \| 1963 \| 1964 \| 1965 \| 1966 \| 1967 \| 1968 \| 1969 1970 \| 1971 \| 1972 \| 1973 \| 1974 \| 1975 \| 1976 \| 1977 \| 1978 \| 1979 1980 \| 1981 \| 1982 \| 1983 \| 1984 \| 1985 \| 1986 \| 1987 \| 1988 \| 1989 1990 \| 1991 \| 1992 \| 1993 \| 1994 \| 1995 \| 1996 \| 1997 \| 1998 \| 1999 2000 \| 2001 \| 2002 \| 2003 \| 2004 \| 2005 \| 2006 \| 2007 Connacht Championship - Leinster Championship - Munster Championship - Ulster Championship

I've included the newly created football one as a comparison

All-Ireland Senior Football Championships

2003 | 2004 | 2005 | 2006 | 2007

Connacht Championship - Leinster Championship - Munster Championship - Ulster Championship

(Gnevin 00:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC))

Well, uniformity would definately be the order of the day - I think we need to decide on one of those formats. I think it would be highly difficult to recreate the standards of each championship for the last hundred years (1990 hurling is particularly good), especially since sources are extremely difficult to come by the further back you go.

Maybe it would be a better idea to sum up the championships by decades. For example, "In the 60's, Kikenny won the All-Ireland [#] times, notably in 196[#], when they beat [#] in a pulsating final. Other notable champions in the 60's were [#], who beat [#] in the 1967 final." - obviously the more information we get the more comprehensive the articles will get - and eventually we could use individual year namespaces.--Macca7174 17:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

What you all think of this ?

All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championships
1887 \| 1888 \| 1889 1890 \| 1891 \| 1892 \| 1893 \| 1894 \| 1895 \| 1896 \| 1897 \| 1998 \| 1899 1900 \| 1901 \| 1902 \| 1903 \| 1904 \| 1905 \| 1906 \| 1907 \| 1908 \| 1909 1910 \| 1911 \| 1912 \| 1913 \| 1914 \| 1915 \| 1916 \| 1917 \| 1918 \| 1919 1920 \| 1921 \| 1922 \| 1923 \| 1924 \| 1925 \| 1926 \| 1927 \| 1928 \| 1929 1930 \| 1931 \| 1932 \| 1933 \| 1934 \| 1935 \| 1936 \| 1937 \| 1938 \| 1939 1940 \| 1941 \| 1942 \| 1943 \| 1944 \| 1945 \| 1946 \| 1947 \| 1948 \| 1949 1950 \| 1951 \| 1952 \| 1953 \| 1954 \| 1955 \| 1956 \| 1957 \| 1958 \| 1959 1960 \| 1961 \| 1962 \| 1963 \| 1964 \| 1965 \| 1966 \| 1967 \| 1968 \| 1969 1970 \| 1971 \| 1972 \| 1973 \| 1974 \| 1975 \| 1976 \| 1977 \| 1978 \| 1979 1980 \| 1981 \| 1982 \| 1983 \| 1984 \| 1985 \| 1986 \| 1987 \| 1988 \| 1989 1990 \| 1991 \| 1992 \| 1993 \| 1994 \| 1995 \| 1996 \| 1997 \| 1998 \| 1999 2000 \| 2001 \| 2002 \| 2003 \| 2004 \| 2005 \| 2006 \| 2007 \| Connacht Championship - Leinster Championship - Munster Championship - Ulster Championship

(Gnevin 16:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Kit template for Errigal Ciarán

I don't know how to create a kit properly. If someone knows how to do it, there are pictures of the Errigal Cairan kit here. Errigal is the team in the ladies match, with white tops and blue shorts.--Macca7174 17:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Done see Talk:Errigal Ciarán(Gnevin 17:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] {{Infobox GAA player}} {{Infobox GAA dualplayer}}

I have updated both of these infoboxs with fields for NFL, NHL and occupation (Gnevin 19:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] All-Ireland winners nominated for deletion

nominated for deletion see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Harte
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Mellon
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cormac McGinley (Gnevin 16:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC))

Hey, guys, cheers for the help with these AfDs. I had started these articles ages ago, and I was pretty rusty as to wikifying. They were nom'd in the worst possible time for me, since I was so busy for the last week.--Macca7174 13:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anyone out their?

Well ? Seems like i'm on my own again , anyway back to tagging pages with {{GaelicGamesProject}} with AWB(Gnevin 23:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Peter Canavan

Could someone write a longer intro to Peter Canavan. It's quite difficult for me to do it, because I wrote it myself, and find it difficult to look at it objectively. Thanks--Macca7174 13:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag of Irland in IRF

Hi everybody,
I was wondering, ¿do the irish inter rules football team or the GAA use a flag for their matches? Maybe the four provinces or the Saint Patrick's cross flag. Regards. Ffahm 14:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi , yes the GAA use the Flag of Ireland (Gnevin 14:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC))

Thanks Gnevin. One last question: ¿the tricolour flag represents all Ireland or only the Republic of Ireland in GAA matches?. Ffahm 15:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

For the purpose of Inter county GAA matches the tricolour is flowen not matter what ,even if its London v New York. The GAA like the IRFU are and all ireland body and the one Ireland team repersents the whole of the island in interional rules games , hope that helps (Gnevin 16:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC))

OK, thanks for your time. Ffahm 17:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of Brian Dooher

considering the fair use rationale for Peter Canavan's picture, that it's a historically significant picture, because it shows him lifting Sam, could the same rationale be used to justify a similar picture of Brian Dooher? Also, Gnevin, where did you get the picture for Canavan?--Macca7174 18:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I say you should be able to claim fair use esp if its on him with sam once its not a general shot of him playing as a current player wiki expect us to be able to get a free image of him, I got the peter shot from [3] and you should also read [4][(Gnevin 19:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC))

Ok cheers, so, there's a few pictures on BBC websites, here is probably the best one. How do I put it up onto the page??--Macca7174 00:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] We should start using del.icio.us bookmarks to help each other with sources

I don't know how many of you are aware of del.icio.us, but basically you can save webpages, with tags giving people a clue as to what is on them. I think this would really help our cause if we all got a del.icio.us account.

Basically every time we are doing some research, it is inevitable that we will come across pages about other players. We could tag those pages with "WikipediaSource" + [county] + [GAA] + [player' names].

For example, I have tagged this page with GAA Wexford Tyrone FergalLogan MattyForde Ireland WikipediaSource RTE. It is an article regarding Matty Forde's appeal against suspension.

Here is the tags I have saved so far under [WikipediaSource]. So far most of them are Tyrone pages, really. But if everyone got on board, it would quickly expand, making life much easier for us all.--Macca7174 11:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] All-Star Subcategories Nom'd for deletion

Here is a discussion as to whether to delete the subcategories of the yearly All-Stars. (eg Category:1980 All-Star (football) etc)I think they are invaluable, although underused especially pre-1990's, which is probably why they are being considered for deletion. Fight to save them please.--Macca7174 09:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: The discussion ended without consensus - which means a shallow victory for us - there is nothing to stop people repeating this discussion once a month for however long.

One good thing did come out of it however - a suggestion about an All Stars table. The person actually suggested using it on Peter Canavan's page, but it wouldn't work there. It works perfectly on Tyrone GAA, although it has a slight shortfall - this is how it looks: -

Player	1980	1984	1986	1989	1994	1995	1996	2002	2003	2004	2005
Kevin McCabe	*
Eugene McKenna		*	*	*
Frank McGuigan		*
John Lynch			*
Plunkett Donaghy			*
Damien O'Hagan			*
Peter Canavan					*	*	*	*	*		*
Fay Devlin						*
Finbar McConnell							*
Stephen O'Neill								*			*
Cormac McAnallen									*
Conor Gormley									*		*
Phillip Jordan									*		*
Sean Cavanagh									*	*	*
Brian Dooher									*		*
Brian McGuigan									*
Ryan McMenamin											*
Eoin Mulligan											*

The 'stars' are too small and inconspicuous - Could someone draw up a symbol for an all star?? I am tempted just to use a small barnstar logo, but it is hardly a long term prospect. It would look great if there was a star symbol, and a worthy addition to any county page, i think.--Macca7174 19:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

user:Pauric would be the man to ask for a logo, the tables are good the only problem i see it how do you handle a county like kerry with 60 + all stars? over 30+ years (Gnevin 08:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC))

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