Talk:Will & Grace

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Contents 1 Broadcasters (2) 2 Boy Meets World??? 3 Untitled Comment 4 Broadcasters 5 Criticism 6 Laila 7 Lovespring International 8 Changed effeminate to eccentric 9 Past tense or present tense

[edit] Broadcasters (2)

In France, Will & Grace is now aired on Canal +.

[edit] Boy Meets World???

Why is boy meets world part of the thing about the other shows that Will and Grace opened the door to? Boy Meets Worls was not a gay-themed show. [[[User:Jwink3101|Jwink3101]] 00:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)]

Boy Meets Boy was the show. Not Boy Meets World. tiZom_(2¢) 18:14, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't catch that, thanks( Jwink3101 17:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC))

The fact that Boy Meets World had been running for like five seasons before this show aired shoulda tipped you off, pal.67.142.130.37 16:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Untitled Comment

I just love the way it woked out. I'm gonna miss this show:( —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 156.34.56.174 (talk • contribs).

That said, can someone put info from the last episode, and how things all turned out into the plot description? tiZom_(2¢) 07:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Broadcasters

In the Broadcasters section people keep adding UPN, FOX, and WB affiliates to the list. But that is syndication only. Not all of those affiliates have it, just in your area. Experience showed me this is vandalism! Unless further discussion occurs here. Matty-chan 16:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Not vandalism. [Wikipedia] vandalism is defined as any addition, deletion, or change to content made in a deliberate attempt to reduce the quality of the encyclopedia. Most people simply don't understand the difference. I went ahead and added a comment in that section. Hopefully, people will notice it while editing, and refer here. tiZom_(2¢) 20:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I see. I just went through something similar. Matty-chan 21:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

Aww no criticism of the show at all? ive seen many jokes made about will and grace

I agee. There needs to be some criticism acknowledged. --Navstar 04:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe some mention should be made that Will and Grace's relationship, if it occurred in real life, would be considered by psychology to be an extreme co-dependant and self destructive one.

Indeed, the women seem to have serious personal issues. Jack is more annoying than absurd. They all seem to behave very irrationally. The comedy itself is very stereotypical and unfortunately a little too predictable. IIRC, from what limited viewing of this show I could tolerate, both Karen and Grace are both ethically and morally lacking. Jack... Jack is not a real person, he's a caricature of all supposed behaviors of homosexual males outside normal behavior. Will is the only character from the show I could even remotely identify with.

I never understood exactly WHY it received the awards that it did, but in general I don't watch many sitcoms, so I lack knowledge of the competition. (Third Rock from the Sun, Scrubs, Seinfeld all seem to be mightily humorous in relation. Ellen Degeneres, as an actor and from what few snippets I've seen of her sitcom, is a riot.

The show also strikes me as a little blackfaced, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who would feel this way. I've tried justifying my feelings here, but failed. But I can't deny my feelings on this regard. I am not homosexual, so I can't take offense precisely like a black man would take blackface, but when I see these shallow characters take part in this.... there's just something terribly wrong.

Other comedic themes... I lack the language to describe. Maybe I can describe it as "People performing an idiotic series of actions and then having to deal with the consequences." Most comedy can be described that way, but the way Will & Grace (the show) deals with it is in the realm of the totally unbelievable. I find it absurd that I could even laugh at it. Root4(one) 16:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok it was suggested that some criticism should be introduced, instead we have people using big words for their big egos to attack a shw they didn't understand. The show was gay people simply laughing at themselves, a gay writer shgowing how homosexuals can poke fun at things that they relate too. It's just over the top comedy, nothing sinister. It was made to entertain nothing more, if you found it stupid ok! If you found it offensive, then you are simply gravitating towards certain aspects that are meant to be taken in a light hearted way

I think it's the lack of good sitcoms with gay characters out there that makes the gay community embrace this mediocre show. If there were more interesting gay characters on TV, especially in sitcoms, Will & Grace would not be funny anymore. --Anjingbuduk 15:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laila

In the finale episode where Grace is helping her daughter move into her dorm you can read on the boxes "Laila's Room". Im changing all occurances of Lila to Laila. Gfad1 20:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lovespring International

I started the page on Lovespring International, the new series on Lifetime that has Eric McCormack (Will) as the executive producer and had Eric McCormack and Sean Hayes (Jack) as guest stars already. I don't know that much about the show, though, so I'd welcome some help! Every and any little bit counts! Emily ^{(Funtrivia Freak)} 21:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Please!!! No one's edited the page yet! Somebody, please, help me with Lovespring International! Emily ^{(Funtrivia Freak)} 15:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changed effeminate to eccentric

I disagreed with the description of Jack's character as being effeminate. The character is a gay man who is eccentric and attention-seeking. These attributes do not constitute effeminate, as hallmark traits of feminism are not necessarily those qualities (i.e., a woman is not defined by being eccentric and attention-seeking).

I reverted this...Jack is not at all eccentric. The label 'effeminate' may not be entirely accurate either. As a compromise I would suggest just removing both labels. Carl.bunderson 22:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Past tense or present tense

The narrative in this article seems to randomly shift between past tense and present tense. It's reminiscent of a junior-high conversation or a football talk show. It needs a major cleanup, as do countless other grammatically deficient Wikipedia articles. Free writers are worth every penny they're paid.

Well let us know when you've finished your major clear-up and we can all take a look. --Charlesknight 16:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Grammar's nice, but it isn't more important than content. So don't let it (rather the lack of it) get in the way of enjoying Wikipedia articles.