Talk:Workers' self-management
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I think the abstract example is highly biased. It implies that the capitalist boss wouldn't act to fix the problem, while the worker-run company wouldn't punish the worker responsible. Both are assumptions that I find dubious. TurboCamel 19:20, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Example removed
I took this out because it's pure speculation, and the two options which are counterposed are not mutually exclusive: "Say if a worker makes a major mistake during the middle of a work day that results in major profit loss, the workers are quick to discuss the consequences and adapt accordingly to avoid such a mistake in the future. In traditional capitalism, a manager would discipline and punish the worker responsible for the mistake.". - Nat Krause(Talk!) 04:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge recovered factory here
Although the entry on recovered factory present it as a Spanish or Hispanic phenomenon, such is international and has been used in many various situations (as can be seen on this page here, albeit small). I don't think the Argentine case justify an article all for itself, and if those, it should be renamed "Recovered factories in Argentina", or, even better, "Workers' self-management in Argentina". In any case, these two, short, articles deal with the same subject. Or did I miss sgth? Tazmaniacs 05:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- While the case of recovered factories in Argentina is actually quite unique in that it is such a large-scale and seemingly permanent phenomenon, I'm not at all against this suggestion, especially while recovered factory is so incomplete. --Brian Z 21:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Done. If necessary later, we can make a sub-article titled "Workers' self-management in Argentina, and link it to es:Fabricas recuperadas. Another question: for specific reasons, I am more used to the term "autogestion". Isn't keeping the title "workers' self-management" restricting the scope of the article to, precisely, recovered factories and the classic workers' movement, thus excluding various self-management experiences of popular education or, simply put, self-management as a spontaneous way of organisation? I'm not sure self-management would be an adequate title, as it would take the risk of being too psychological or even including the economic liberal conception that the market auto-organizes itself. But wouldn't "autogestion" allow to get out of the sole frame of the factory, in much the same way that the operaismo movement has concentrated itself on figures of alienation - and of liberation - outside of the factory? Tazmaniacs 22:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
