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Contents 1 Xemnas 2 Billy Zane's replacement 3 About Ansem's real name 4 "Memory of Xehanort" 5 Hollow Bastion vs. Radiant Garden 6 Xemnas or his Heartless? Who was behind everything? 7 Catagories he can be put into 8 Xemnas in KH1 9 Picture 10 qouit

[edit] Xemnas

I'm thinking the Xemnas article in Organization XIII should be copy-and-pasted into this one. Xemnas is a part of Xehanort. People in the game even called him Xehanort, AND Xemnas was talking to DiZ at one point and explaining Xehanort's reasoning behind some things. In this light, I think Xemnas deserves more information in this article than he already has. Whether he has a different name or not, he's still Xehanort. I'm thinking the text under his name in the Organization XIII article could just be in two places, there and here. Either that, or I could type up more information on Xemnas in my own words. Any thoughts on this?--Cyfin 13:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

This article relates just to Xehanhort so you should probably go with a combination if the Org 13 xemnas article but expand on the parts relating to Xehnort's past & maybe his heartless.-paul@wiki

[edit] Billy Zane's replacement

Does anyone know why Billy Zane was replaced with Richard Epcar as the voice of Xehanort? Was it scheduling, legal issues, what?

Three-Tail

We don't really know. Square and Disney never told us. Supposedly Billy Zane was in a very controversial movie, and I heard Square didn't want to risk people hating them for having such a controversial actor among them. I don't know if it's true or not though.--Cyfin 13:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh! I heard about that. It was a Turkish film. I'm pretty sure it was anti-Semitic or something to that effect. urutapu 14:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Ansem's real name

I think this page name should be changed to Ansem once again, and all links to Xenahort should be redirected here. The problem is that someone who has NOT played KHII won't know the true identity of Ansem, and that would automatically spoil a bit of the game for everybody else.

Wikipedia provides information, regardless of "spoiling" some people, and it will stay that way. --Apostrophe 21:14, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

But still, that part of the information should be in the KHII section of the article. The true identity of Ansem should be considered as a spoiler, and therefore it needs a spoiler tag.

And amazingly, there is! It's at the top of the articles. --Apostrophe 01:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Maybe the picture should be removed or moved lower? It is kinda hard to look away once you realize there are spoilers if it's right there.--The Crowing 21:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Moved. --Apostrophe 21:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

"And amazingly, there is! It's at the top of the articles."

You think that helps? This whole page is a spoiler! Just getting here is one! Change it back to Ansem and put the KH2 spoilers on the bottom! I know I can't edit it... because if I do then I'll probably be spoiled even more! In your idiotic effort to document it you ruined a major part of the game for many people! Pata Hikari

I suggest a soft redirect, folks. Pikawil 00:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. Writing the article based on information just from the first game would be out of date and ultimately incorrect. 81.6.223.66 12:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Memory of Xehanort"

At it was one of the hints laid bt the Kingdom Hearts III promo, it seems to assume Xehanort's part in the series has not ended yet. But how he returns is up in the air. Apparently, Xehnanort is somehow related to the armored figures in the promo due to Xenmas "knight-form" during the KH2 final battle.

Okay, and..? ' ^{(Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!)} 04:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that there isn't enough concrete information to talk much about it, but it might be nice to note somewhere that "Memory of Xehanort" is one of the secret movie tag-lines, and work in the fact that The Organization XIII was conducting research on memories for a still-unknown reason, and Vexen, who was deeply absorbed in his work with memories there, began his fixation on memories when, as Even, he and the rest of the disciples experimented on xehanort. WtW-Suzaku 04:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we should. The whole "Memory of Xehanort" thing could only lead to speculation, which is not what Wikipedia is for. We'll mention his memory when something's CONFIRMED about it. As for Even experimenting on his memories, I suppose we could mention that...~~Cyfin 23:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, the new secret movie at the end of Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+ has a bald headed man who has the same eyes and clothes that of Xenahort...so, we will see. --68.97.75.170 14:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hollow Bastion vs. Radiant Garden

Technically, Hollow Bastion is the castle...I haven't read the English Other Ansem Reports. Does Xehanort show up in the world of Radiant Garden or specifically at the castle Hollow Bastion?

I don't think it matters. We'll just say Radiant Garden. Maybe we should mention somewhere that Hollow Bastion's its castle.~~Cyfin 23:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Xemnas or his Heartless? Who was behind everything?

Actually a better question is this: Did Xemnas manipulate his Heartless and Maleficent?

I don't think so. Xehanort was controlling Maleficent in the first game to complete his plans while Xemnas worked on collecting human hearts. It might be possible that Xemnas was somehow controlling Maleficent in the second game. I suppose it could be possible but as far as we know they were operating on their own and making seperate plans. One thing is for sure: Each of them are Xehanort. Xehanort is the true villain in all the games as his heartless and nobody make up his complete entity.

I see. Be that as it may however, I still consider Xenmas the better half. Also (this may sound like a stupid question, but) did Xehanort influence Maleficent before becoming a Heartless and Nobody or after ?

No. Maleficent's plan simply benefitted Xehanort's Heartless. The two had no interaction whatsoever before Xehanort's Heartless possessed Riku. Anything further is speculation. Interrobamf 00:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I find sort of odd that Maleficent's plans worked perfectly with Xehanort. Xehanort stated that the heartless were using her, so she was a pawn in some prospective. Like you said it would be speculation, but it would make sense if Xehanort controlled Maleficent to complete his plans.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.34.186 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Catagories he can be put into

Xehanort has so many aspects he could easily fit into these catagories: Fictional psycopaths. Fictional personifications of Evil, Fictional Sadist. Fictional symbionts, Unemotional fictional characters.

He is not a psychopath, personifcation of evil, sadist, or symbioant. Please learn what words mean. Interrobamf 10:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Xehanort is defiantly not a psychopath. He is evil but has intelliegence and does things based his goals. He is very sane, he only thinks that darkness is the source of all power. That upsession takes control of him. He might fit the category of personification of evil, but there is not enough history and evidence on his past to determine that.

Psychopath doesn't mean insane.--Malvorean 13:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I think he could fit into most of those categorys. He bonded with riku for mutual gain and needed him for power(symbiote). He was cruel, took pleasure in the suffering of others, and was a certifiable jerk as well as having a complete disrigard for life (Sadist). and the personification of evil thing, I can't think of one thing to make him not pure evil, he wanted to kill the entire universe how much more evil can you get? the Psychopath thing is a stupid but honest mistake? he's constantly lying, shows no remorse or shame, thinks he's the Greatest being alive, smart and charasmatic and mean without reason. however i got just plain evil mixed up with pychotic because i used the layman's definition. he does have delusions and irrational thinking so he's not a psycho. i apologize. what about the antisocial personality disorder? he fits those categorys doesn't he. somthing has to be wrong with his brain for him to basically kill himself following some scheme of power. He's an amalgalam of Frankenstein, Palpatine and Sephiroth. one scientist gone too far, one evil genius with delusions of gradure, and one nutso murderous bad guy leader. Technobabble1 06:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you. Xehanort does want the entire universe to be destroyed and tunred into infinite darkness under his control. The guy is reposnisble for mass destruction of planets, it's stated that inhabitants are taken with the worlds which shows him as a mass murderer. He controls and manipulates people then destroys them when they have outlived their usefulness. He is pure evil, he is composed of entirely darkness. He abducted many people and tortured them with experiments to make the heartless, the loss of lives in the experiments did not matter to him, only the pursuit of power. So I think he's pure evil but not a pychopath- Darknessofheart

Problem here is misconception of "psychopath" with "psychotic". Both begin with "psycho"... A psychopath is a person who is incapable of feeling remorse, sympathy, etc. So it could indeed be argued that Xehanort is a psychopath.

Alright, I think some of the categories are debatable, but I think he's defiantly a mass murderer. Just because he doesn't go around with a sword or knife and kill people doesn't mean he's not a mass murderer. Take all the people who became heartless, Ansem's reports describe them as being in unrecoverable condition. They can't come back and Xehanort was respnosible for that. What would you call that? It is also stated that the experiments caused countless of people's hearts to collaspe and they were put in unrecoverable conditions. Along with that it's stated that when a world is destroyed so are the residents. Think of all the worlds the heartless took, do you have any idea how many people were taken. Based on the amount of worlds seen restored at the end of the first game, I say he's killed millions of people. Now, personofication of evil. Can anyone give one example where he shows any signs of redemption or remorse. I can't, he's destroyed hundreds of planets, converted them into darkness, abducts people for his purposes, and uses other's weakness's to his advantage. He munipulates the darkness in people and destroys them. For what? There was no noble purpose he is easily able to betray Ansem who saved his life and gave him a home for years. He betrayed him as if he were an enemy, took his name, destroyed his world and residents, and shamed him. All he wanted was power, control, and knowledge and the expense of millions of lives didn't matter in the least. He wanted to cover existance itself in ever lasting darkness. That's pretty evil.-Darknessofheart

Question. Does it really matter? Simply because he is doesn't mean that he must be in those categories. There's also been a recent trend towards deleting categories like that since they're really POV and OR. Axem Titanium 22:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Xemnas in KH1

When was Xemnas in KH1 at Hallow Bastion? -EG

Final Mix version. Also a flashback in Kingdom Hearts II. Interrobamf 00:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, thanks....i was thinking that but i just wanted to be sure.-EG

Wouldn't that technically mean he was first seen in KH1: FM, instead of KH2? Trunksamurai 23:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Is it possible to find a better picture of Xehanort. The one that the article has is kinda of blurry.

I have 2 pictures but there kind of different. One is a artwork picture only showing his head and wears a blue jacket it looks like. And one is a picture of his full body with his scientist suit and is eating ice cream, but it shows an internet logo on it. So I don't know if these two might work.

Are you sure these aren't fanart? ' 21:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] qouit

Is there any wiki-qouit for him like his famous "all world are born in darkness and all worlds end the heart is no diffrent" I hope I qouited him right ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love and grace♥ 12:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

...you mean "quote"?—ウルタプ 13:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yer.....*blushes*--♥Eternal Pink-ready for love and grace♥ 17:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Look in Wikiquote. Or GameFAQs. ' 17:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :} ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love and grace♥ 17:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)