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Contents 1 HALO photographs 2 History of the zurich greater area 3 Population 4 Business 5 Einsiedeln Abbey 6 "Economic success reasons" 7 spelling 8 Notable people

[edit] HALO photographs

Are people happy with the conspicuous commercial logo of this? Dlyons493 Talk 16:27, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Not really, I see them as an advertisiment. I would be in favor of deletion Matteo 23:12, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

It also covers the article text in firefox. I'm going to unlink it for now as someone must sort out the formatting before it can go back - 81.110.41.5 02:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I would like a bit morge picture anyway: a map of the city-districts would be very nice. Luca

[edit] History of the zurich greater area

I think the latest urbanistic history of the zurich greater area (agglo zurich) is not shown at all. It's a pity, as very much work by famous professionals is done in this european city (M. Meili, Herzog&de Meuron, M. Botta, Santiago Calatrava, etc.). Luke C. from Laramie WY.

[edit] Population

I miss data of the Zurich Greater Area: the population is in fact 1'100'000 and not only the ca. 350'000 which represent only "Zurich intra muros" - and not the political, economic and cultural reality of the city. L.Dwenoff

The Greater Zürich Area? I guess you mean the Canton of Zürich. The city itself has a small population, as 342'133 citizens in 2004. This includes several communities e.g. Oerlikon. --Perconte 18:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

no, the greater area is the functional overview of the population linked with a city as a work, life and cultural center. example: washington/usa has 400'000 as city but 1'900'000 as greater area...

Now i see. Well there are no such datas in the official statistics as far i've seen. [1] [2] If you take a look at greaterzuricharea.ch there they mention a number of about 3 million peoples, this includes employees from other cities as Basel, Luzern, Bern. --Perconte 19:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Business

The following text reads like it was taken from Zurich's business development department - it should either be removed entirely or at least rewritten to make it more encyclopaediac. There was a report today claiming Zurich has the highest quality of living of any city in the world (from mercer or imercer, depending on the report), which is why I came to this page...

6 Business

Zürich is a leading financial center and has repeatedly been proclaimed the city with the best quality of life anywhere in the world. The Greater Zurich Area is Switzerland’s economic center and home to a vast number of international companies.

The Greater Zurich Area unites the most important factors for your business success:

   * Low taxes and attractive tax models
   * Qualified, multilingual manpower
   * Quality and safety in the heart of Europe
   * Key technologies for the future
   * A relaxed life, productive working environment and broad range of cultural and recreational offerings

sheridan 19:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

yes, it seems problematic to me too... the rating institute is called Mercer... Darius, Amsterdam

• Zurich, by far the wealthiest, high quality crime-free place to live on the planet. Do not dare question the power of ZURICH the financial, echonomic and political capital of the Earth. Our GDP of USD 45'000 is higher than any American city and our bourse is not to be underestimated with, for it is the most important in Europe.

The picture of the Zurich Stock Exchange is wrong - it shows the old Stock Exchange.

[edit] Einsiedeln Abbey

I'm not convinced the Einsiedeln Abbey should be featured among the churches in this article. While the other three churches mentioned here are located within the city limits, the Einsiedeln Abbey lies in a different canton (Schwyz), approximately 40 km outside the city of Zurich. It takes at least 45 minutes to get there by public transportation and you have to change trains in Wädenswil.

I don't think so. I was in Zurich and the Abbey is in fact in the final metropolitan area. You mention it: It's just 45 min. with the metro (s-bahn in german, i think...).

Y., from Japan.

Fair enough. Being a native Zürcher I suppose my concept of distance differs quite a bit from that of a person visiting from abroad. On the other hand, if we expand the perimeter to anything that can be reached from Zurich within 45 minutes, we might include more churches and other sites that do not lie within the city (or even canton) of Zurich. For an online tourist guide this would make absolute sense. However, this being an encyclopedic article on the city of Zurich, the doubts remain as to whether the Abbey should be included here. But I will leave it at that. Sluzzelin 05:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC) (forgot to sign last time around)

I disagree. Wikipedia is not a tourist guide. Einsiedeln is not part of Zurich, neither now nor historically, and hence it falls completely outside the scope of this artricle. Otoh, it might deserve special mention on Canton of Schwyz and Alemannia. dab (ᛏ) 21:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Dbachmann, the abbey is in Einsiedeln and is by no means part of Zurich. After all, it isn't even in the Canton of Zurich. Therefore, it should not be featured in the churches section of this article. Lostvalley 18:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Economic success reasons"

Even setting aside the rather dubious (IMHO) need for this section, and the dubious grammar of the title (wouldn't "Reasons for economic success" read better?), the writing style of this section is poor. It reads very much as if (a) someone is trying to sell the city as a location for their business and (b) it seems to equate success with a hardline capitalist policy. (Note - this would be just as bad if an equivalent city such as Stockholm attributed its economic success to social democratic policies). I can accept the results of studies (cited) that show Zürich as having the best quality of life, and even that some of the factors cited here are correct, but the way this section is written is all wrong for an encyclopedia. It makes it sound like the rest of Europe is really jealous of Zurich, but really, I don't see the people of Munich starving. Please can someone knowledgable on the city rewrite it, and cite sources, so it reads more like, "Studies by the University of XXXX suggest^(citation) that at least some of the city's success can be attributed to a business-friendly government, lower tax rates than other nearby cities, and YYY". Otherwise a pretty good article. Thanks! Walkerma 04:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] spelling

To the best of my knowledge, the English spelling MOSTLY (not 'some-times') with-out the umlaut. I think we should switch the redirect , so that Zürich redirects to Zurich instead of the way it is now. Comments? Kdammers 10:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, you may move it to "Zurich". -- User:Docu

I totally agree with this. Matthieu Houriet 06:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

And I don't recall ever hearing a native speaker of English pronounce it in either of the two ways given, except where that individual could speak German. Kdammers 10:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The ogg link (if you got it to work) should probably go with the German version. I fixed that. -- User:Docu

Well, so it doesn't seem like there's unanimity, I oppose a move. I think the article should stay at Zürich. --Barend 16:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC) And now I discovered the archived discussion. Seems this discussion reached a stalemate over a year ago.--Barend 16:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The articles on cities I checked chose the name seen as most commonly used in English (examples: Gotheburg, Milan, Munich, and even Turin). In some cases the native name has started to supersede the more traditional English form in everyday use. (examples: Basel, Livorno). Barend, do you think Zürich is used more often than Zurich in English texts? Or do you have other reasons for being opposed to the move? (Not that it's a big deal. I'm just curious about consistency throughout the encyclopedia.)---Sluzzelin 22:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable people

are we missing Carl Gustav Jung as one of the notable people that lived in Zuerich ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.160.12.113 (talk) 21:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC).