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1 Accent
2 Death
3 Song
4 Dear Editors of Wikipedia
5 La Vie en Rose
6 Clean this article up!
7 Deletion
8 Films
9 Vandals
10 Early life

[edit] Accent

Isn't it a bit precious to use "É" all the way through? Accents are usually omitted from capital letters in French; one can use them, but why do it here? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:36, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Here in the English Wikipedia, I think it makes sense to use the same spelling as in the French. Your question is still valid for the French article, though. (I wonder if my local library has a French paper encyclopedia?) Abu ari 08:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death

Where should technical errors like the date of Edith Piaf's death being reported as the 10th at the top of the page and the 11th further down in the text be reported? I have similar errors on many pages and would like to let someone know about them. User Alan S12:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

They shouldn't be reported but corrected (that's the beauty of Wikipedia). Where you notice a discrepancy but don't know which is the correct version, a note like the one above on the relevant Talk page will do. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

The use of her "official" date of death troubles me greatly. Where is the evidence that she actually died on the 10th? Why is she "officially" said to have died on the 11th, if she actually died on the 10th? Where else in Wikipedia do we provide a date of death that we know is not the correct date? If there is indeed a discrepancy between her actual, proven, date of death and some "official" date, we should use the actual date in the article and give the official date in the footnote, not the other way around. JackofOz 01:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Song

Wendy McNeill does a fabulous song (http://zed.cbc.ca/go?c=contentPage&CONTENT_ID=121650) about Edith Piaf. Kind of summarizes a lot of her life. FireWorks 20:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dear Editors of Wikipedia

I would appreciate your sending me information about where you obtained the biographical information for Edith Piaf on the Wikipedia website.

It is my understanding that Edith Piaf's real name is actually: Edith Annette Gisson Holliday. I do not believe that the name Gassion as listed on your website and a fake website with her grave marker is accurate. Also,I do not believe that Edith Piaf was Italian as some of the surnames you have listed would imply. Further, I do not believe that Edith Piaf is related to a circus performer or a madame of a bordello.

I heard a rumor recently that Senator John Warner wrote a Fake biography about Edith Piaf since he is making money selling her recordings. I am still investigating how Senator Warner is related to Edith Piaf and how he accessed Edith Piaf's recordings to sell after 1945 when there are people that have said Edith Piaf was actually killed during WWII by the Nazis because of her Jewish heritage the fact that she was related to French and Belgian royalty. One would wonder how Senator Warner left WWII in 1945 with Edith Piaf recordings in tow if Edith Piaf lived beyond WWII.

Paline HollidayEarpCarroll Brown

Note written 7 months later: The above fascinatingly bizarre opinion was written in January 2006. Apparently, everybody was stunned into silence by its content, since it never got any response, at least not on this page. (John Warner?!?!?) - DavidWBrooks 22:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] La Vie en Rose

I recently created an article for La Vie en Rose, so any contributions from people with knowledge about Edith's signature song would be appreciated - AKeen 16:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean this article up!

It's pretty messy and unprofessional at the moment. Let's clean it up already.

Mark 23:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

The entirety of this article was deleted, without comment, due to alleged copyright violation a few days ago. It seems absurd to have nothing more than "a French singer" for possibly the most famous French chanteuse. I have supplied a translation, more or less bad, of the Piaf article at the French Wikipedia. But I think that some discussion would be warranted before yanking an entire article. RandomCritic 21:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Well, the article was not "deleted", just marked as a possible copyvio (all the previous revisions are still there and could be restored). It's not excluded (though IMHO unlikely) that the issue is the other way round: the site that I spotted has actually copied from Wikipedia. In any case I guess we had to wait a few days before rewriting the whole content, just to be sure. Please, consider that the page is still listed here:

Wikipedia:Copyright_problems/2006_April_9

In any case I just followed the "canonical" procedure.

What to do about copyright violations

Believe me, I was really disappointed for my "discovery".

--Gennaro Prota 01:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, somebody (name not given on the history page) did delete both the article and your copyvio notice.

Not my fault. That's someone who doesn't read what he has in front of his eyes.

In any case you seem to have been mistaken.

Here you still keep some courtesy. There must have been something which made you lose your temper between writing this and the next paragraphs. But it was not me.

If you had provided a link to your asserted site in this talk page the matter could have been investigated;

Don't be offended but you seem very unfamiliar with Wikipedia procedures. Yes, I forgot to add the link as an argument to the copyvio template (because I was in a hurry and because I'm quite new here —this is my first possible-copyvio tagging), but the link is anyway here:

Wikipedia:Copyright_problems/2006_April_9

(if someone provides a link and wastes time for that, please be gentle enough to take it a look)

better yet, you could have investigated it yourself before jumping to conclusions.

I didn't draw conclusions. Rather you jumped the gun. I was investigating yesterday (sorry for not being able to do that *immediately*, boss; I'll ask my company to give me more spare time) and found that the first version which comes close to the one at

http://www.edithpiaf.com/biography.php

is revision as of 04:56, 16 November 2003

As it turns out, the biography at EdithPiaf.com is an exact copy of the Wikipedia article as of August 9, 2004. And if you look at the layers of history before that, you can see that the Wikipedia article on that date was not copied and pasted from somewhere else, but the product of months and months of accumulated changes.

Yes. As I said, sorry for not working 24 hours a day here.

It is clear that EdithPiaf.com borrowed the article from Wikipedia and not the other way around. I hope that in the future you will be much more careful about making assertions of copyright violation. Many, many places use Wikipedia as a source.

Your main misunderstanding is that I made an assertion of copyright violation. I just made a report of possible copyright violation. You seem also very unfamiliar with Wikipedia policies and with Wikiquette. Please take a look at that. And remember we are all here for the same reason. No need to bite.

The point is that you, by honest mistake, replaced a good article with a copyright violation notice. The effect of your report was to make the article inaccessible by normal search. Of course it was still in the history, but that is not where one would expect to look for it. Furthermore, people are inclined to assume that copyright violation notices are not only made in good faith (which I don't question) but based on solid information. I would only ask that you refrain from making your "reports" in the future before you have solid evidence that a violation has occurred (e.g., if you yourself are the copyright holder). RandomCritic 13:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

RandomCritic 05:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand your nick now :-(
--Gennaro Prota 12:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind if the article is reverted to the last pre-copyvio form, but I should note that there is a little information in the French article which could be incorporated; for instance, it clears up the October 10/October 11 death date question. RandomCritic 05:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Films

There's a section with films without any explanation. Did she act in them or are they about her? AxelBoldt 07:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I wondered this myself. I would say they are about her but I didn't check the full list (I would not exclude that some of them just feature some of her famous songs in their soundtrack). I have worked on this article but then lost interest. I have seen you did a nice work with the section titles. If you continue on this track I guess that will incentive me to join again :) —Gennaro Prota ^•Talk 14:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Piaf appeared in all of them except "Edith et Marcel" which is about her. It seems that "Al diavolo la celebritá" was included erroneously, so I've deleted it. RandomCritic 20:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Probably because Marcel Cerdan appears in it. —Gennaro Prota ^•Talk 20:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandals

someone obviously vandalized the article: From the age of three to seven she was blind, and from eight to fourteen she was deaf and suffered from severe Androgenetic alopecia. According to Piaf's biography David Beckham - Mein Kampf,

anyone can change that? Wathiik 07:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early life

The blindness / deafness issue seemed to me highly unlikely, so I took a look at the versions in other Wikipedias. Her blindness seems to be well-acknowledged, although w:de reports it as having occurred from the ago of 4 through 6 only. But deafness is mentioned only in the English version, with articles in other languages specifically mentioning that she is believed to have begun singing at age of ten. I think someone with access to a reputable biographical work should further investigate the issue. 62.57.0.221 10:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

In fact what is true is that she suffered from a "keratinite" that caused her to be almost blind when she was young; part of the problem was cured, but anyway she remained half-blind (on one eye).

This was publicly testified on French TV today, with several people that had lived with her (notably her hair-dresser) invited to a long live TV show, showing and explaining her life, along with other guested actors and the director of the next cinema film that will come to our screens in the next few days: "La Mome", featuring lots of songs from our famous singer (and her love with the French boxer Marcel Cerdant, her two weddings after that, her loves with several French actors or singers). Although the film is oriented, it has been announced as providing only true and verified facts about her life (and those that have lived with Edith Piaf have approved the content). All those persons can testify that she was partly blind during all her life.

However she was definitely not deaf (may be she had some earing problem, or suffered from some otites). This is pure speculation and the way she could master her voice is extremely clear. What is true is the she suffered from alcoolism and drugs, and her appearance was much older than she was really in the few years before her death. And it is true that she remains as a myth that can excite lots of imagination and creativity; that's the destinate of the most famous stars: she was and remains as the French Marilyn, and her songs are still loved so much today with her original voice.

I want comment the very strange comment above, about the invention that Piaf would have died during WW2 (this is pure invention); most successes from Piaf were created after WW2; this is extremely irritating to find such stupidity here when there are much enough proofs (and millions of people that have seen her in public live shows after WW2!) that she recorded and sang most of her successes after WW2, including the greatest success "La Vie en rose" or "Mon Légionnaire". Her voice was really unique and unequalled since then (such voice can't be reproduced today, because the common French accent has evolved a lot since then, as well as the language). 86.221.35.173 16:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

2.9.07 I added the premiere of the film, "la mome", at the Berlin Film Festival February, 2007 in the legacy section.

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